Wrongful ban and a warning to those who box to farm

[WOWBOX40]

Lmao

[Nezreck]

i can probably close this thread down now, dispite my efforts i'm pretty sure i just have to wait it out and hope i don't have to deal with this a second time, Appreciate the chats guys.

[charly]

I feel that the above needs to be repeated from time to time because people either forget, or new people show up. So, I'm not aiming this at you, specifically, but, based on some of what's already been posted in this thread, some people think that Warden has complete control of their computer.

I understand the need to repeat that the game client does not invade the players privacy without consent. It would be illegal as you said, and people would quickly find out about it. I obviously did not explain my reasoning correctly. I tried to explain that the game client does not limit itself to its own user space. WoW runs with admin privileges and the process has been caught checking windows title, windows icon and opening binaries from processes that attached themselves to the client. That anti-cheating mechanism has actually no name, and is not related to Warden which only focuses on checks within the game client process. All in all, we don't know exactly what the game client does outside of the game scope, and although I reasonably think it does not invade privacy, we don't know what Blizzard deems to be ethical. My "tin foil" thought was definitely too extreme and not useful to this discussion, but I would not be surprised that, in the future, they would cross more boundaries to improve their anti-cheating mechanism while not making sure that the players understand what's happening on their machine. It is not all black or white in this situation.

[MadMilitia]

I don't know why memory scanning came into this as it seemed pretty obvious from what the GM said about observing logs that repetitive behavior was witnessed to a degree that simply doubts human involvement. Something like running into a wall for hours while farming mobs for example reads back in logs as very unnatural movement and activity. It starts to smell like botting. Even if you're just manually auto running into a wall / corner. The GM may not even go to the location but look at movement logs to see.

There are loads of ways to determine something is inhuman beyond sniffing at memory.

[charly]

I don't know why memory scanning came into this as it seemed pretty obvious from what the GM said about observing logs that repetitive behavior was witnessed to a degree that simply doubts human involvement.

The GM did not say what's in the logs. It can be data about the player's activity or data gathered from the computer. Now you have your answer.

[Nezreck]

This penalty has already been reviewed by multiple people, and each has come to the same inescapable conclusion: the accounts were advanced through use of unauthorized third party automation software.

unfortunately my last effort only gets forwarded to the same GM at this point, i had a server admin friend look over everything for me and he had me check some stuff and do some scans etc and found that i had malwear on my computer that was titled Hacktool.Agent, and it turned out to be a program crack that had attempted to use a while ago for a program that is pretty much nothing more than a audio equalizer.

The automation claim is frustrating because it can't be that, But he basically told me that warden can see that system files etc are modified but not how they we're modified, so it could be something as simple as that, Which on my end apparently is not something i can prove what so ever.

still all this shit eludes me to the end, i've never really understood computers etc so at this point there is nothing more i can do. i /we don't know if this even had anything to do with it, or if it was the cause etc, but if the information can be useful to anyone else down the road why not.

[Andreauk]

What classes and how many were you farming with.. also what location? Did you at any point use things like the Monk farm method, or auto running into something?

[Nezreck]

8 balance druids with GSE macros for sunfire-sunfire-sunfire starfall, location was the island NW stormsong valley on the NE beach where there is a mining machine,beached boat wreckage and the venture co mining mobs, no monk statues, no standstill. I was actively running around just pressing 2 over and over, then used interact with target to loot mobs - repeat

[Andreauk]

I see.. when I box Druids I do it spell for spell as if I was playing solo... same with everything I box. I never touch mixed classes anymore, so I don't need any kind of spell rotation macro.

I put in a ticket and asked about farming. My question:

I am a multiboxer, and have seen a few people I know receive 6 month bans for farming in the outdoor world.
I am about to reactivate my accounts and would not ever want to be banned myself ( I have boxed since the Burning Crusade) and my account means a lot to me.


My first question is this.. is farming the same spot a bannable offense? I was planning on farming for the Dune Scavenger mount (for personal use). Of the people I know that have had a 6 month ban have been boxing to farm.. I will avoid this if this is a cause of the ban.
Also I know there is a note on my account that I am a boxer and I am sure that I will be reported many times for boxing. I have never had contact or action taken against me for boxing in the past, but I must admit I am feeling a little nervous about boxing in this expansion. I use isboxer, and don't use any advanced features. All I use is the ability for 1 keypress one ability, and I only box 3 of the same class to use the abilities spell for spell.


Your feedback on this issue is appreciated.

The response:

[WOWBOX40]

Are all addons that you can download and use via good old curseclient (now named twitch client) 100% safe to use = no automation possible?

I mentioned earlier i had a couple experiences with a pet addon few years back, that atleast "felt" like i was cheating / automating a bit. I asked the author back then, but was told it was no worries. I removed it though. Didnt want to risk it getting a ban while im multiboxing.

The only softwares ive personally used, was software that came with keyboard(s) and also a playstation 4 bluetooth controller, you could assign keyboard buttons on it. Sadly all softwares spammed keypresses like mad when you holded down a key, and there was no option to make it stop. I even contacted the authors. So i obviously never used those while i played wow.
Just make double sure that you dont have any software running in the background and that you have uninstalled it. Sometimes programs can start up when you start the pc, and its there running, without you really realize it. So its a good idea to check all programs you have running and remove any you dont use or need.


Its a shame that sometimes, Blizzard do makes wrong bans, so their system of detection isnt flawless.
Luckily they unban those people, most of the time.

Wonder what kind of software/programs those people had running... wish we could get to know, to avoid it ourself.

/wishfull thinking sadly apparently