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    so i have been going thru my logs etc cause i know i had something simular during dreanor was only 1 toon but here goes ,
    not saying Nezreck did something wrong but if you get banned and think your didnt do anything wrong at all they will resolve this (with alot of typos )




    i cant find the chatlogs and banmails anymore anymore but i did posted it on my twitter here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nezreck View Post
    One question if anyone does know, if i find the means to round up a temporary account to keep raiding with my guild etc, Will i be allowed to play with that game license or does blizzard consider this a ban evasion, IE will this cost me more in the long run.
    No, there's no such thing as ban evasion (in WoW) as far as Blizzard is concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by WOWBOX40 View Post
    They have direct access to all your hardrives and thumbdrives etc. Doublecheck those aswell, maybe you had some program/software active at one time, which you tried out at one point.

    Whichever pc you have installed wow / battle.net on, they have access to it. Even if you maybe dont use it to play on any longer. If you use that pc for other things while playing wow on a different pc, if any shaddy programs is on the other pc, they can find it. The best way to clear it, is to completely re-install the os, so everything get wiped.
    Everything you said in the above quote is 100% false. Blizzard does not have access to anything outside of the game client.

    Quote Originally Posted by WOWBOX40 View Post
    Same goes for your cellphone, if you have installed anything wow related. Quite possibly then "warden" gets installed.
    Wrong again - Warden gets downloaded to your computer when you log into the game client; it's not just sitting in the WoW folder on your computer, and it's certainly not getting installed to your phone when you run a Blizzard app.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnknownsTM View Post
    so i have been going thru my logs etc cause i know i had something simular during dreanor was only 1 toon but here goes ,
    not saying Nezreck did something wrong but if you get banned and think your didnt do anything wrong at all they will resolve this
    unfortunately i have already had 3 appeals through tickets shot down

    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    No, there's no such thing as ban evasion (in WoW) as far as Blizzard is concerned.
    Everything you said in the above quote is 100% false. Blizzard does not have access to anything outside of the game client.
    Thank you

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    For my part, i will try to avoid farming in "public" places to avoid being reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoW06 View Post
    For my part, i will try to avoid farming in "public" places to avoid being reported.
    It doesn't look like it, but I am still hoping this has nothing to do with farming. I just noticed a 5,000,000 gold mount, and I still haven't bought the 1,200,000 mount from legion yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    Everything you said in the above quote is 100% false. Blizzard does not have access to anything outside of the game client.
    It's slightly different. Based on the ToS, it says

    WHILE RUNNING, THE PLATFORM AND/OR A GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S MEMORY FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING EITHER CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME OR OUT OF PROCESS. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 1.C.ii. ABOVE. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, (A) THE GAME MAY COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (B) BLIZZARD MAY EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO YOU.
    I can't confirm it, but from what I read here and there, the client will scan the processes (and its memory) that attached themselves to the client. Apparently Warden is not that of a sophisticated application, it makes checks here and there in the client, but that's it. However, the client actively looks for infringing patterns in the memory and processes it scans (based on public bots and well known "cheating" libraries). Now putting my tin foil, you could then imagine that they have the possibility to get your Isboxer setup (passed on to Innerspace) or even your discord discussions when they inject their dll to the game.

    To come back to this ban, based on Nezreck's reputation and quality videos, I would guess that it is an unfortunate situation. I would not be surprised that
    1) Nezreck's heavy farming to purchase subscriptions.
    2) The usage of Innerspace which was used (back 10 years ago) as framework for bots.
    3) A reasonable doubt about automation based on raw logs listing the toons' actions
    ... made the GM to ban the accounts after receiving complains.

    That is all a guess, but something to sadly keep in mind when we multibox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charly View Post
    Nezreck

    I can't confirm it, but from what I read here and there, the client will scan the processes (and its memory) that attached themselves to the client. Apparently Warden is not that of a sophisticated application, it makes checks here and there in the client, but that's it. However, the client actively looks for infringing patterns in the memory and processes it scans (based on public bots and well known "cheating" libraries). Now putting my tin foil, you could then imagine that they have the possibility to get your Isboxer setup (passed on to Innerspace) or even your discord discussions when they inject their dll to the game.
    What I can confirm is it definitely scans the memory space.
    This a vast simplification of the technical details, but, I talked to an old botter back in the day and there were (and probably still are) ways to put the game in a memory space where Warden can't detect other programs.

    I won't detail that here for obvious reasons and _I_ will never do this as Karma is always a b*tch to me, I actually have friends at Blizzard and don't want my kids to lose their accounts (and mine of course), but, anyway, there it is

    As per the thread, that really stinks to lose all those accounts for 6 months. This is one of the reasons I don't spam farm out in the open because people are complainers and sometimes Blizzard Support may not really dig into the issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by charly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    Everything you said in the above quote is 100% false. Blizzard does not have access to anything outside of the game client.
    It's slightly different. Based on the ToS, it says

    WHILE RUNNING, THE PLATFORM AND/OR A GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S MEMORY FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING EITHER CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME OR OUT OF PROCESS. AN "UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS" AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 1.C.ii. ABOVE. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, (A) THE GAME MAY COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (B) BLIZZARD MAY EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO YOU.
    I can't confirm it, but from what I read here and there, the client will scan the processes (and its memory) that attached themselves to the client. Apparently Warden is not that of a sophisticated application, it makes checks here and there in the client, but that's it. However, the client actively looks for infringing patterns in the memory and processes it scans (based on public bots and well known "cheating" libraries).
    When I say "the game client" I am talking about what is loaded into the memory space of your machine, from where the game client is operating from. What isn't true, at all, is what I quoted:

    Quote Originally Posted by WOWBOX40 View Post
    They have direct access to all your hardrives and thumbdrives etc. Doublecheck those aswell, maybe you had some program/software active at one time, which you tried out at one point.
    Quote Originally Posted by WOWBOX40 View Post
    Whichever pc you have installed wow / battle.net on, they have access to it. Even if you maybe dont use it to play on any longer. If you use that pc for other things while playing wow on a different pc, if any shaddy programs is on the other pc, they can find it. The best way to clear it, is to completely re-install the os, so everything get wiped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charly View Post
    Now putting my tin foil, you could then imagine that they have the possibility to get your Isboxer setup (passed on to Innerspace) or even your discord discussions when they inject their dll to the game.
    Blizzard is aware of the fact that Inner Space is loaded into the game client—it's 100% visible and not being obfuscated because there's no reason to do that; Warden can see that it's loaded in there, and Warden doesn't care. If Warden cared, multiboxing with Inner Space would have ended a long time ago.

    In addition, Blizzard isn't downloading anything from your computer, unrelated to the game, because that's entirely illegal. They don't know what you're discussing on Discord, they don't know what tabs are open in your browser, they don't know your download history, and they don't have your ISBoxer profile. Even if they did have any of this information, simply discussing or visiting sites that offer gold and/or bots doesn't mean that you buy gold, sell gold, or use bots.

    I feel that the above needs to be repeated from time to time because people either forget, or new people show up. So, I'm not aiming this at you, specifically, but, based on some of what's already been posted in this thread, some people think that Warden has complete control of their computer.
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    Maybe they did some changes lately. Here is what i had laying around. Sadly without any direct source. Can try find it later, im not home right now. Notice the wording at "B" below.

    Acknowledgments.
    You hereby acknowledge and agree that:


    A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 7. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.

    B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT.

    C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.

    D. BLIZZARD MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Blizzard is under no obligation to monitor your electronic communications, and you engage in those communications at your own risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOWBOX40 View Post
    Maybe they did some changes lately. Here is what i had laying around. Sadly without any direct source. Can try find it later, im not home right now. Notice the wording at "B" below.
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, NOT BLIZZARD!

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