Unethical Gameplay?

[Jabberie]

Update:
Blue replied today, maybe some more answers will follow.

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17618421692

The MVP sums up your attempt pretty well. It's like asking the IRS how Cayman island bank accounts work. (I'm tired, can someone give me a better analogy?)

I did see the video and questions - and I don`t agree in all his point on Unethical Gameplay or how the game has to be played.

1- I don`t think any has 100% focus on the game if they are standstill/simi afk farming. It bee us as multiboxer or the goblin farming for a pet.
2- It`s has nothing to do with time - is 1 hour off focus more bad than 5 min. you still not looking at your game.
3- TSM snpping your toon standstill for hours at the AH and you are doing stuff on your main/watch tv or what ever - and you only focus on that toon when you hear the sound go off, is that Unethical Gameplay?

I´m still hitting my keys, doing my ingame marcos - but when useing a Autoclicker to send you keys press it`s the same as botting and is not ok.

1- there is a difference between lack of focus and outright ignoring something.
2- there is, massively, a difference between 1 hr and 5 mins. ties into point 1.
3- that is literally standing skill doing nothing but running a scan waiting on the buzzer to then change window and physically do something to the AH window. Not the same as standing still and doing a collection of spells and abilities.

Going to step back from this thread now cause I can't tell if people are just trolling now or .....

[MiRai]

Update:
Blue replied today, maybe some more answers will follow.

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17618421692

You: "Can I automate key presses?"
Blizzard: 'No."
You: "What if I only do it some of the time? Are you able to detect if I only do it some of the time?"

You're done. When you return, do not post in this thread.

[Wubsie]

- I don`t think any has 100% focus on the game if they are standstill/simi afk farming. It bee us as multiboxer or the goblin farming for a pet.

I'm not saying you need to have 100% focus on the game and nothing but. Plenty of people watch movies, streams and whatnot while playing. However they still have a level of focus on the game as well. In the situations we're talking about there is next to none. The player is either nearly, or completely disconnected from the game and unable to react to even basic stimuli for extended periods of time. This is not the same as briefly talking to your stream, or watching a movie on a secondary monitor while playing where your focus most likely jumps back and forth between the 2.

- It`s has nothing to do with time - is 1 hour off focus more bad than 5 min. you still not looking at your game.

It has everything to do with time, and naturally the intent of gaining benefits without having to 'suffer' the work normally required. I don't think anyone would claim that you can not do anything apart from playing while you are playing. If my fiance walks in and wants to talk about something for a minute or 2, you bet your ass I'm pulling off my headset and focusing on the conversation with her, even if I am still hitting keys, if for example I was mid fight. I don't think anyone would claim that this would be somehow ban worthy. I don't see how you're able to draw an equals sign between this and creating a system where you are more or less completely disconnected from the game but still reaping the benefits of playing, plausibly for hours on end. It's just not nearly the same thing. Just because it's hard to quantify the amount of time and focus needed to be considered to be actively playing with specific numbers does not mean there isn't an important disctinction between the two situations and I don't think it's possible to hide behind the whole "it's still my keypresses doing it" in these scenarios.

- TSM snpping your toon standstill for hours at the AH and you are doing stuff on your main/watch tv or what ever - and you only focus on that toon when you hear the sound go off, is that Unethical Gameplay?

I'm not too familiar with TSM Snipe, but my understanding is that it scans the AH for auctions listed substantially under market value and informs you off any it finds, right?

The difference here is that for the addon to do it's work, it requires no action from you, apart from doing the purchase. The time you are not focused on your character, essentially nothing is happening. Additionally the Add-on runs in the LUA "sandbox" that Blizzard has left for addon developers. If they deem it to be destructive or too automated, they can simply change the environment the addon runs in to not allow this functionality. This is not the case with the farming setups we're discussing here.


I'll be withdrawing from this thread too since I do not like the direction it is heading...

[Ughmahedhurtz]

We are primarily looking for exploitative activity, activity that harms the overall game play environment.

This and various forms of it are pretty common. It's interesting to me how frequently this (to me) simple statement is so often met with confusion, consternation, and complaints.

[MadMilitia]

I liken it to fishing. Consider the design. The bobber jiggles within a time window the most often you cast a lure. So it's just basic sense to cast, look away, count and then click the bobber sometime after hearing the splash.

The game design makes for lazy or unethical play. Not the other way around.

[Jabberie]

I liken it to fishing. Consider the design. The bobber jiggles within a time window the most often you cast a lure. So it's just basic sense to cast, look away, count and then click the bobber sometime after hearing the splash.

The game design makes for lazy or unethical play. Not the other way around.

But you do pay attention to it otherwise you miss your window.

Damn it, I said I wouldn't post in here again... GRRR

[MadMilitia]

But you do pay attention to it otherwise you miss your window.

Damn it, I said I wouldn't post in here again... GRRR

Actually I just listen for the audible cue. Then I click on all of them ~1 second or so later. That gives the one that notified me enough time and some others to catch up. Not the cleanest but it's better than staring at a bobber the whole time. I thought it was a good example of what we were talking about here =D.

[Jabberie]

Actually I just listen for the audible cue. Then I click on all of them ~1 second or so later. That gives the one that notified me enough time and some others to catch up. Not the cleanest but it's better than staring at a bobber the whole time. I thought it was a good example of what we were talking about here =D.

You have already paid more attention to the game than some in this thread by doing it your way.

[Ritley]

Every person I come across who claims that the game promotes this unethical gameplay is, I am fairly confident, a botter/cheater/exploiter in some fashion and is just trying to convince themselves they are doing nothing wrong. "It's Blizzard's fault not mine!". Who do you think you're fooling?

[WOWBOX40]

Every person I come across who claims that the game promotes this unethical gameplay is, I am fairly confident, a botter/cheater/exploiter in some fashion and is just trying to convince themselves they are doing nothing wrong. "It's Blizzard's fault not mine!". Who do you think you're fooling?

Those who do bot and dont care about their accounts are fully aware that they might be banned anytime if caught "offguard" so to speak. The chances of getting caught though are slim it seems. And if you are caught, it also appear you usually only get banned in their 6 months to a year banwave. You could have earned a lot during that time.

Me f.ex ive been farming often since around october last year. I just dinged 680 mill gold earned thru selling the items on the ah. Yes you did read that right. Ive spent lots on "selfplay" raid and pvp boosts etc. Almost 30k "nerdpoints" now. Not sold 1 gold even. I care about my accounts. Im also at 430 mounts collected. I obviously dont want to loose my accounts.

If i did bot i certainly wouldnt post here and if shit did happen, it would be easy to buy new legion games which include a lvl 110 on each. I wouldnt cry about it if i botted and got banned.