Unethical Gameplay?

[JohnGabriel]

Edit: getting carried away

[MiRai]

Random rambling while at work:

Btw, if it turns out Blizzard doesnt mind using a autofire keyboard to spam commands, tape down the button, for a standstill farm, with f.ex 1 sec interval between actions, i will personally buy maany more computers and start selling gold. Based on the amount of gold and few hours im able to farm myself right now, with just pressing the buttons with my own fingers up and down, if im comparing it to wow token prices. i can earn several thousands of euros every month.

I could stop working.

i could join a world first ish guild again and do that i like: to play games.
I could even pick up streaming again aswell.
I will have 1 pc for wow and 1 pc solely for streaming.
The other maaaaany pcs will be farming gold nearby.


If im greedy (i probably will be pretty soon) and want to let it run a lot longer, its totally possible to notice the GM bot-checks with the right equipment on every game window, though it wont be cheap. And even if im asleep. The pcs will be in a different room with its own seperate air condition.

Somehow i have a feeling this spammage isnt allowed.. but we will see eventually.
I will make efforts to figure this out for sure.

Though, if it has been allowed this whole time, ive then been a total fool all these years and il be the first to /facepalm and /sadface irl: i could have started to make a decent living out of this many many years ago.

MiRai said above:

"Yes, any GM will tell you that auto-fire, loops, and automatic delays are against the game's rules, but all keyboard and mouse software, including the World of Warcraft branded mouse/keyboard from Steelseries, have this ability. Plenty of people engage in this type of behavior and see no repercussion, simply because Warden is not "tracking the milliseconds between each click."


So...they dont allow it.. its against the rules.. but at the same time they arent able to actually notice if anyone is using the keyboard to spam commands.. but they will consider it automation if someone is abusing it?

Pretend im just going to use the "automation" part from blizzards own keyboard. To spam a single button macro.
Im going to visually check the gamewindows to see if a GM tries to botcheck me all of a sudden.
I will just be sitting there doing homework, reading and such. While i dont have to worry about getting tired fingers etcetc. Seems like a ok and legit strategy? its not like im abusing it.. i mean, im here, in the flesh. Right? Not AFK.

I wish to get this verified.

Btw, do we have any multiboxers out there who can step forward and let us know if they have done any standstill farming like this without any issues for a long periode of time:

"Plenty of people engage in this type of behavior and see no repercussion, simply because Warden is not "tracking the milliseconds between each click.""

If you continue to talk about how you want to automate gameplay and engage in RMT, you're going to receive a vacation from this forum. Discussion of either of these topics is against the rules of this forum, and you will find no assistance on this site for such activities. After all these years, I still find it fascinating that players will come to this forum, openly discuss such endeavors, and then act clueless about it all, as if the lack of automation, botting, hacking, and RMT threads on this site, wasn’t a dead giveaway.

My recommendation is that you walk away from this thread, as I doubt there’s anything else that you can say, at this point, which would reflect positively upon yourself or your gameplay ethics.

[Tin]

I do standstill farming almost every day - normal a hour a time - getting bored very fast - sometimes it´s the tv is running other time I stream my game play.

I don`t see what could be wrong with that - single player or group are doing the same farming same place.

How can standstill farming/simi afk farming be more wrong than people useing TSM snipper ?????

Only one that I know who had a ban/suspension is pechthefarmer - farming 3-4 hours a day (never ask him what happend)

https://www.twitch.tv/pechthefarmer

[mbox_bob]

So...they dont allow it.. its against the rules.. but at the same time they arent able to actually notice if anyone is using the keyboard to spam commands.. but they will consider it automation if someone is abusing it?

Just because X has the ability to do Y, doesn't mean you SHOULD ACTUALLY DO IT.

e.g.
My car has the ability to kill people, like real dead, if I chose to use it in that particular way. Does it mean I should do that?? No it does not. Why? Because it's against the rules.

What about if nobody noticed I was killing people with my car. Should I do it? Again, still a No. Why?, because it's against the rules.

If I do go round killing people with my car, and get caught doing it, should I then whinge about it, and say it wasn't my fault I didn't do nothing? NO, I should take the punishment owing to me, and not effin whinge about it, because I broke the rules.

[Wubsie]

I do standstill farming almost every day - normal a hour a time - getting bored very fast - sometimes it´s the tv is running other time I stream my game play.

I don`t see what could be wrong with that - single player or group are doing the same farming same place.

How can standstill farming/simi afk farming be more wrong than people useing TSM snipper ?????

Did you watch the video? The question is not whether or not a stand-still farm is OK. No one is saying it is not.

What we're talking about is whether you're really actively playing the game if, for example, you'd be playing a completely different game and have those same inputs trigger a farming "routine" for a wow client (or clients) somewhere in the background with you having 0 focus on those, to the extent that you might not even realize your character had died/DC'd/ whatever hours ago and you'd still just keep spamming the same commands to them.

[mbox_bob]

whaaaaattt??

You mean I'm not playing the game if I'm catchin catfish in the bayou, but I still have my dippy drinking bird hitting the keys for me?

But I set up Dippy in the right position. Does that not count?

[WOWBOX40]

Did you watch the video? The question is not whether or not a stand-still farm is OK. No one is saying it is not.

What we're talking about is whether you're really actively playing the game if, for example, you'd be playing a completely different game and have those same inputs trigger a farming "routine" for a wow client (or clients) somewhere in the background with you having 0 focus on those, to the extent that you might not even realize your character had died/DC'd/ whatever hours ago and you'd still just keep spamming the same commands to them.

Also, im a very sorry MiRai, it was a slipup rant tirage of frustration and i wont mention it again.




Wubsie, what you said is actually very reassuring for the game and is a excellent method to discover illigal activities i think.

I mean, if Blizzard wish to test if someone is doing something illigal and being afk, them killing off random characters, teleporting them around, disconnecting them etc, and then notice that commands are still being sent as if nothing has happended (for how long they allow it, we dont know i guess, but for hours is definitely a clear indication of foul play) ----> possible ban.


I did manage to find this interesting read ragarding the keyboards. Its a long one.
https://infernix.net/wowban/



Update:
Blue replied today, maybe some more answers will follow.

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17618421692

[Jabberie]

[WOWBOX40]

Update:
Blue replied today, maybe some more answers will follow.

https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17618421692

[Tin]

Did you watch the video? The question is not whether or not a stand-still farm is OK. No one is saying it is not.

What we're talking about is whether you're really actively playing the game if, for example, you'd be playing a completely different game and have those same inputs trigger a farming "routine" for a wow client (or clients) somewhere in the background with you having 0 focus on those, to the extent that you might not even realize your character had died/DC'd/ whatever hours ago and you'd still just keep spamming the same commands to them.

I did see the video and questions - and I don`t agree in all his point on Unethical Gameplay or how the game has to be played.

- I don`t think any has 100% focus on the game if they are standstill/simi afk farming. It bee us as multiboxer or the goblin farming for a pet.
- It`s has nothing to do with time - is 1 hour off focus more bad than 5 min. you still not looking at your game.
- TSM snpping your toon standstill for hours at the AH and you are doing stuff on your main/watch tv or what ever - and you only focus on that toon when you hear the sound go off, is that Unethical Gameplay?

I´m still hitting my keys, doing my ingame marcos - but when useing a Autoclicker to send you keys press it`s the same as botting and is not ok.