Unethical Gameplay?

[Jabberie]

I'm sorry to burst the bubble but manual GM checks do not include a whisper by default so relying on that would be not a smart move.

[WOWBOX40]

I'm sorry to burst the bubble but manual GM checks do not include a whisper by default so relying on that would be not a smart move.

He can do as many manual checks he wants. It will just be me sitting/laying casually pressing the keyboard with my own fingers "semi away from the monitors". Worst case scenario he will move a toon or do something else, which i will pick up on around every 20 min or so. If they want to ban me for that, then so be it. That will be my hint to move on with my life.

[JohnGabriel]

Most modern gaming keyboards have auto-fire.

It seems a fine line between sitting on the couch away from the monitor watching a movie while spamming one key over and over, and sitting on the couch away from the monitor watching a movie while auto-fire does it.

[WOWBOX40]

Most modern gaming keyboards have auto-fire.

It seems a fine line between sitting on the couch away from the monitor watching a movie while spamming one key over and over, and sitting on the couch away from the monitor watching a movie while auto-fire does it.

i dont want to use a keyboard, small numpad device or wireless ps2 controller so i can hold down a button and let it spam a macro. Thats a sure way to get banned. Blizzard is tracking the millisecs between each click, so if you are pressing and holding and creating presses with same intervalls... not humanly possible...banhammer time.

[MiRai]

Blizzard is tracking the millisecs between each click

I'm going to ask that you cite a source for this statement. Many players seem to believe that Warden is this amazing piece of anti-cheat software that tracks your every move and catches everyone doing anything wrong, but I think they're greatly overestimating the capability of it.

[Chumbucket]

A ban or even suspension is pretty heavy handed for "unethical" behavior.

[WOWBOX40]

I'm going to ask that you cite a source for this statement. Many players seem to believe that Warden is this amazing piece of anti-cheat software that tracks your every move and catches everyone doing anything wrong, but I think they're greatly overestimating the capability of it.

My source is people i know, who got banned for "3rd party software": they used to place a pen fixed to a fan rotating from side to side, the pen then pressed the spacebar, which was mapped to a macro. Other people used a ps2 controller with bluetooth, tapeing down a button. There are also other ways to make it work like this. Some also used devices like this to prevent going afk during the launch of a new expantion.

When a GM comes to investigate if you are botting or whatnot, they most likely have the ability to track it. Its similar to the combatlog, but includes jumping etc. If its non human behavior it is a "robot".

If it wasnt able to be detected, every person would have just bought a "autofire" keyboard, taped down a key and called it the day. It isnt realistic to have someone press a button over a periode of time nonstop with same intervalls between actions.

But no i dont have any official sources sadly.
Im sure there are others out there who know more.

I do remember a bluepost though, regarding that such a keyboard could lead to a ban. It was years ago. Maybe we can find it somewhere.

[ebony]

they used to place a pen fixed to a fan rotating from side to side, the pen then pressed the spacebar, which was mapped to a macro. Other people used a ps2 controller with bluetooth, tapeing down a button. There are also other ways to make it work like this. Some also used devices like this to prevent going afk during the launch of a new expantion.

is it a robot??

[Ritley]

My source is people i know, who got banned for "3rd party software": they used to place a pen fixed to a fan rotating from side to side, the pen then pressed the spacebar, which was mapped to a macro. Other people used a ps2 controller with bluetooth, tapeing down a button. There are also other ways to make it work like this. Some also used devices like this to prevent going afk during the launch of a new expantion.

When a GM comes to investigate if you are botting or whatnot, they most likely have the ability to track it. Its similar to the combatlog, but includes jumping etc. If its non human behavior it is a "robot".

If it wasnt able to be detected, every person would have just bought a "autofire" keyboard, taped down a key and called it the day. It isnt realistic to have someone press a button over a periode of time nonstop with same intervalls between actions.

But no i dont have any official sources sadly.
Im sure there are others out there who know more.

I do remember a bluepost though, regarding that such a keyboard could lead to a ban. It was years ago. Maybe we can find it somewhere.

So you have no idea what actually happened. Got it.

[MiRai]

My source is people i know, who got banned for "3rd party software": they used to place a pen fixed to a fan rotating from side to side, the pen then pressed the spacebar, which was mapped to a macro. Other people used a ps2 controller with bluetooth, tapeing down a button. There are also other ways to make it work like this. Some also used devices like this to prevent going afk during the launch of a new expantion.

When a GM comes to investigate if you are botting or whatnot, they most likely have the ability to track it. Its similar to the combatlog, but includes jumping etc. If its non human behavior it is a "robot".

I'm sorry, but that is not a reliable source.

I could very easily say something like, "My cousin knows a guy who works on the Warden team, and he says that Warden doesn't do that." I just "one-upped" your source with my imaginary source, and you wouldn't have known that it was imaginary had I not said so. Do you see how unreliable that is?

If it wasnt able to be detected, every person would have just bought a "autofire" keyboard, taped down a key and called it the day.

What? If Blizzard states that X behavior is not allowed, why would you then think that if X behavior cannot be detected, that then everyone is going to engage in X behavior? This just isn't true, by any stretch of the imagination.

But no i dont have any official sources sadly.
Im sure there are others out there who know more.

I will accept a source from someone who is intimately familiar with Warden and what it does. If you can find a known bot author, or someone who really knows their shit, who has posted on a "reputable" botting site, I will accept their statement. I will not accept a family member, a friend, your neighbor's uncle, or some random dude from some random site on the internet who has only a handful of posts.

I might seem like I'm being hard on this, but you made your statement with such certainty, and I really dislike the spread of false information, even if you're helping deter people from engaging in unethical gameplay.

I do remember a bluepost though, regarding that such a keyboard could lead to a ban. It was years ago. Maybe we can find it somewhere.

But i belive pressing and holding down a button to spam ingame spells etc is automation.

Yes, any GM will tell you that auto-fire, loops, and automatic delays are against the game's rules, but all keyboard and mouse software, including the World of Warcraft branded mouse/keyboard from Steelseries, have this ability. Plenty of people engage in this type of behavior and see no repercussion, simply because Warden is not "tracking the milliseconds between each click."

Could Warden track that information? Sure, but it would never be 100% accurate. Do you think Blizzard wants to base their bans off of inaccurate results? Maybe. Who knows? Maybe when they want to track a certain account/character to build evidence against them, then they do turn on something like that. I don't have a reliable source to counter your unreliable source, except that I have known people who have engaged in that type of behavior, and they had never seen any action on their accounts because of it.