I had high hopes for this because leveling is really really boring, but it didn't work out like they were implying it would. The goal seemed to be increase the time played metric first and worry about fun second.Originally Posted by Fat Tire
I had high hopes for this because leveling is really really boring, but it didn't work out like they were implying it would. The goal seemed to be increase the time played metric first and worry about fun second.
Then how would normal leveling queues beat those? Seems like it would be obvious to blizzard as almost nobody would be completing dungeons anymore.
Now playing: WoW (Garona)
The player base is always the guinea pigs... every expansion has proven so, be it the phasing mechanic all the way up to the world scaling. I don't understand why players (not saying you per se) are surprised by this. How else are they going to know if an idea is good or not without trying it out en masse?
I, personally, am interested to see how this mechanic plays out with a leveling team. The biggest gripe I've hear out of people (not just multi-boxers) is that they can't blow stuff up like they used to. This makes me very happy because people would ignore mechanics and just nuke, which is stupid. Now people have to actually learn and execute the mechanics of a fight, which for me translates into more challenging puzzles to solve as my multi-boxing team goes.
The other thing that I think will happen is that the dungeons will be tuned so that people will be able to level by doing just them again, but I feel that they needed to see what that would take compared to questing. If dungeoning is the most efficient way to level, even casual players can understand that and will do that because "it's what you are supposed to do". I imagine that they will be gathering data so that if you want to level by questing you can do that or if you want to level by dungeoning, you can do that or if you want to do both, you can do that and the time it takes to progress from level to level remains about the same. They built this giant world for us to explore and play in.
Introducing the level scaling has made more of the content last longer, which translates to you, the player, having even more stuff to potentially do and explore. A lot of people think this game is about gear. They are wrong. This game is about stories and experiences with friends and overcoming challenges together as a team (whether you're a part of one or running the whole thing).
Anyway, that's my 2c. See you in game!
Xalanor: Prot Paladin, Aurorae: Resto Shaman, Khaelan|Trixae|Xercaes: Frost Mage x3
Well don't you sound like a blizzard representative.
You should quote the entire statement of mine before rebutting since they corroborate. Only reason for this change is to time gate unlocking of allied races. How much time is being tested out now.
People have leveled the same way for like 10 fucking years. All blizzard has done is taking the tedious task of leveling and made it abhorrent. This game is about how I choose to play it and how I choose to have experiences. Anyway, I dont want to dissect your opinion, because everyone is in entitled to theirs, but your opinion is wrong.
@FatTire,
I'm sorry I should have broken up my post with a hrule or something. I did not mean to upset or disrespect or anything. I was just commenting on why I thought they were using the player base to test out the 'leveling frustrations' is all. I am sorry if I offended you.
The rest of the post was merely my thoughts on the Leveling in 7.3.5 that was all. Sorry if I sounded like a Blizz fan boy to you. I like their games. I just thought we were discussing 7.3.5.
Sorry again. :-\
Xalanor: Prot Paladin, Aurorae: Resto Shaman, Khaelan|Trixae|Xercaes: Frost Mage x3
Well, that would be fine if scaling were just a bit longer rather than "no change for the first 60 levels." Some of us liked taking non-standard teams through dungeons after they were easier due to out-leveling them (unless we had full heirlooms which can't be assumed to apply to most of the population I would think). This change basically makes any run people would have previously done through those leveling dungeons (outside of quest completion) undesirable. The only possible positive is that if this means almost anybody can queue for any dungeon at any level then you might have more potential people in the queue. I still think that will be more than offset by people who just forego dungeons completely in favor of just questing or paying people to speed-run them through instances with 110s.
Now playing: WoW (Garona)
Wow, the high road. No need to apologize and certainly no need to do it five times in one post. I just disagreed. Your post didnt sound like a fanboy, it read like a blizz dev blue post. I like their games too, I like my time even more so and I dont like seeing it wasted on time gated content.
I once submitted to blizzard that they start all players even new players off at the highest level of the lastest expansion. Using the huge world that is underused to tell the story that way or dynamic content, instead of a leveling experience that has forced alot of us into boosts. They are sorta of beginning to do some of that with the scalability of zones. They are just stuck on this 1-100 leveling bullshit. I can go 1-60 killing boars in westfall and 60-80 killing boars in Hellfire, in fact you can level 1-100 just killing boars in their respective zones. The only thing needed is time.
Most players see leveling as a means to an end. I would do stranglethorn vale at 100 instead of level 30, same story and same quests just scaled, if only they just remove a majority of the tedious time gated experience bullshit. My time is better spent avoiding stv as is at 30. Scale all the zones 100-110 or 110-120 in bfa, they could even remove character level in that case or use another metric. It would keep the entire game world current. I might be rambling or way off base.
Last edited by Fat Tire : 01-22-2018 at 05:42 PM
Light at the end of the tunnel perhaps in regards to the changes in 7.3.5 as it pertains to leveling through WoD. I ran a warlock from 90-98 last night with my 110 DK main (just one as I only had one boosted to 90 from an old RaF account) and there were some interesting things going on.
It took me 3.5 hours to get from 90-98 doing a handful of quests in Frostfire Ridge and then doing only bonus objectives while grabbing treasures and resource caches I saw along the way. This was with no rested and no other pot/boosts.
1. Mobs and quests scale but treasures/garrison resource caches/bonus objectives do not. This means if you, for instance, go to Nagrand before level 98 you will not be able to loot any treasures or resource caches and no bonus objective areas will be available to you.
2. Experience from bonus objectives that you can get is slightly better throughout the entirety of WoD because you never outlevel the area you are and so you get more experience from the actual mob kills in each area. Gorgrond quests also give better exp because no matter what level you are when you turn them in they are scaled appropriately (or so it seemed).
3. Mobs scale to 100 for the level 110 character in your group. This is the interesting bit because level 100 mobs are still green to a 110 and so the lowbie characters being rushed get full experience for kills. This was a significant bonus as far as I could tell because some rare named/quest mobs were giving between 5k and 16k experience per kill. I'd imagine that this would enhance dungeon experience in WoD substantially though I did not test that.
Anyway just figured I'd share because WoD was always the most dreaded portion of the leveling experience for me with my teams because of the lack of dungeon quests and also the issues that come with having to visit your instanced garrisons but these changes seemed to make the whole process much better in that particular expansion.
Did get my 81 team to Nagrand (WOD)(fire place timeless Isle) - and mix them up with 2 lv 110 and just killing Tamed Clefthoof, need the Sumptuous Fur amyway for bags. they have almost instans respawn - 1 lv. around 35 min - with a lv. 110 the mobs are 99/102 - just park them at Telaari station, and they get rested xp.
Eonar - EU
I like that idea cheers
Also in Hellfire ramparts I took my 4 locks and my 110 druid into the instance and were getting half a level per run, so I guess they only nerfed the low instances or this will get nerfed soon?
U should take the advantage of this my locks are now 73 and I will contiune to run Hellfire ramparts till im 80
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