Boxing the meta 4 man

[Cmoidudu]

OK, so I changed a lot of things (again) in the setup. For a first I got rid of all pets, since they are blocking monsters and you don't want that. On the contrary, I picked more skills to gather monsters.

This team as a major and a minor flaw.

The major flaw is still the same, you can't hit a wall with the Wizard and hope to stack Twisters, when in the meantime the rest of the team isn't hitting the monsters, so you are getting no globe, so no power, so no Twisters... so you need to face monsters for a while and them face the wall to stask Twisters, etc.

The minor flaw is, I'm using Leap + Call of Arreat on the Barbarian, and if I don't pay attention, dude can leap away and get separated form his buddies.

Here is a GR70 video, and I certainly can push further... as a reminder, I still don't have an ancient Twisted Sword yet...



Also, this is how I arrange all skills. I'm only using straight key forwarding in IsBoxer, no round-robin etc.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I thought your healthbars were bugged until the RG fight.

[Shodokan]

OK, so I changed a lot of things (again) in the setup. For a first I got rid of all pets, since they are blocking monsters and you don't want that. On the contrary, I picked more skills to gather monsters.

This team as a major and a minor flaw.

The major flaw is still the same, you can't hit a wall with the Wizard and hope to stack Twisters, when in the meantime the rest of the team isn't hitting the monsters, so you are getting no globe, so no power, so no Twisters... so you need to face monsters for a while and them face the wall to stask Twisters, etc.

The minor flaw is, I'm using Leap + Call of Arreat on the Barbarian, and if I don't pay attention, dude can leap away and get separated form his buddies.

Here is a GR70 video, and I certainly can push further... as a reminder, I still don't have an ancient Twisted Sword yet...

Also, this is how I arrange all skills. I'm only using straight key forwarding in IsBoxer, no round-robin etc.

Well its good to know it is possible to multi-box all the supports even if its slightly inefficient in comparison to the normal ability for the barb to also pull/group.

Your major flaw though doesn't seem like something you can get around. That being said you might be better off with 3x DMO twister/channel wizards and a barb support or two and two supports. The single DMO wizard setup although piloted by botters is doing extremely well in solo play, the major problem with it though is that teleport is used almost exclusively for positioning which is another thing that is done at the very high end of the spectrum to avoid as many hits as possible. Because of that limiting factor as well I'm not sure that this setup is ideal in comparison to something like 2x LoN bomb + 2x support simply because you cannot even come close to optimizing your damage.

That being said I do think that if you want to continue playing the meta setup then you should think about swapping your setup to have your wizard using a build similar to the solo pushing builds in order to get more success. No matter how you swing it you aren't going to be able to position properly and consistently be able to deal maximum damage without your supports actually being able to generate globes.

[Cmoidudu]

Another quantum leap and I completed GR75. Since I still don't have an ancient Twister Sword, low 80's should be possible as soon as I'll get one... At GR76 I obviously lack the DPS on elite packs (Twister Sword in cube so no Furnace there). They take too long to kill (and I still have a huge margin of improvement on positioning).

Also I changed Barbarian's "right-click" skill from Leap to Avalanche + Snow-Capped Mountain. Works better. Now I need to find 2 good "Pull of the Earth" set pieces to reduce its cooldown (and ground Stomp too).

(...) to have your wizard using a build similar to the solo pushing builds (...)

I'll consider that...

I thought your healthbars were bugged until the RG fight.

Well as long as the 4 dudes are stacked, toughness skyrockets. I'm somewhat bleeding at GR76 however

[Cmoidudu]

(...) swapping your setup to have your wizard using a build similar to the solo pushing builds in order to get more success(...)

There seems to be a trick that top solo Wizards are using, I need to try this. They use Etched Sigil off-hand, and they sort of pop Energy Twisters when casting Arcane Torrent. I don't really see the point, maybe there is an exploit there...

And, GR76 down. Still no ancient Twisted Sword

[Shodokan]

There seems to be a trick that top solo Wizards are using, I need to try this. They use Etched Sigil off-hand, and they sort of pop Energy Twisters when casting Arcane Torrent. I don't really see the point, maybe there is an exploit there...

And, GR76 down. Still no ancient Twisted Sword

The only difference is that the main twisters while channeling do not proc area damage and that the merged ones do indeed. Its not an exploit.