60-Boxer on Emerald Dream

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Correct me if I'm taking your point(s) wrong.

The angst resolves around the notion that someone can have 5+ characters focus fire down someone else without them having much chance at doing anything / getting away. Some classes simply can't do it.

We'll just agree to disagree about that. How is it _any_ different than a 700+iLvl fully-geared player camping a fresh 100? I'd argue that's even worse; at least with the 5+ boxer (or a coordinated team with voice comms), you knew you never had a chance unless you got more people, whereas 1v1 should always be marginally possible depending on individual derpiness. But with the difference in damage and procs between 5-man gear and top-tier raid gear, it's hardly even in the same sport. Hell, I've had healers get away from some of my 5-man teams because I simply could not burst through their heals. /shrug It probably bears remembering the uproar about pre-made BG groups (with the addon that allowed pre-mades to work after the nerfs to raid joining) roflstomping people that don't have voice comms or anything resembling leadership; you can't blame that on violating the spirit of the game or playstyle or whatever...

Furthermore, if the accounts=skill were generally true, then why can a 15-boxer repeatedly kill a 40-60-boxer? Or are you suggesting that there are multiple tiers of faceroll?

I do agree with them on that front. Once you reach a certain number, focus firing down people is really easy and doesn't take intimate knowledge of the class. This makes it more of a problem than say, 5 people who may or may not be focused on you. Even though 5 people generally stomp a 5 boxer.

I'll remind you that 5-boxers have been bursting down people since Day 1, and it's a lot harder to do that over the last year or two due to resilience and health pool changes. Hell, that's been true even for solo classes e.g. Windfury+Arcanite Reaper shams, the old ret paladins, fury wars, some rogue builds, etc. etc.

[ebony]

Wrong.


Looks fun!Will stat nullification(reallocation) activate upon entering pvp combat in open world or only in instance pvp?

Only in instanced PvP.

https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/sta...65040728236032

Not what they said at a few months ago. But stuff changes it seems

[MadMilitia]

Correct me if I'm taking your point(s) wrong.
We'll just agree to disagree about that. How is it _any_ different than a 700+iLvl fully-geared player camping a fresh 100? I'd argue that's even worse; at least with the 5+ boxer (or a coordinated team with voice comms), you knew you never had a chance unless you got more people, whereas 1v1 should always be marginally possible depending on individual derpiness. But with the difference in damage and procs between 5-man gear and top-tier raid gear, it's hardly even in the same sport. Hell, I've had healers get away from some of my 5-man teams because I simply could not burst through their heals. /shrug It probably bears remembering the uproar about pre-made BG groups (with the addon that allowed pre-mades to work after the nerfs to raid joining) roflstomping people that don't have voice comms or anything resembling leadership; you can't blame that on violating the spirit of the game or playstyle or whatever...

It's different because a fresh 100 can escape a fully geared 100 pretty easily. I remember the infamous feral druid on Bleeding-Hollow that camps horde players tried to get my hunter one night. He got his bleeds up but in the end he couldn't kill me because he didn't put out enough damage to make it happen.

Some classes can put out insane damage in a short period but when you combine 5 classes together, if you really know what you are doing, nobody has any business escaping your wrath except classes that can bubble/hearth. Five ferals would have stomped my hunter very easily if they were all played to the degree that feral plays his.

Furthermore, if the accounts=skill were generally true, then why can a 15-boxer repeatedly kill a 40-60-boxer? Or are you suggesting that there are multiple tiers of faceroll?

I'll remind you that 5-boxers have been bursting down people since Day 1, and it's a lot harder to do that over the last year or two due to resilience and health pool changes. Hell, that's been true even for solo classes e.g. Windfury+Arcanite Reaper shams, the old ret paladins, fury wars, some rogue builds, etc. etc.

Well there are varying degrees of skill even multiboxing. I'd lean on the idea that a guy who boxes 60 is far less likely to have explored each class intimately than the guy who boxes 15.

Which is part of my appeal here. I think world PvP is a meaningless arms race in the case of a 60 boxer because you skirt learning how to play with just buying more accounts. It registers as cheap because it is.

Also, just because it has been going on forever doesn't make it right. I would be interested to see if dual boxing was the only way to play anymore how many boxers would stick around and get better on 2 rather than quit the game altogether.

[Smor]

http://www.twitch.tv/devolore/v/30360205?t=01h15m27s

For all of you doubting Blizzard.

[MiRai]

http://www.twitch.tv/devolore/v/30360205?t=01h15m27s

For all of you doubting Blizzard.

I don't think anyone is fully doubting Blizzard, but it helps to speak up, as a multiboxer, when multiboxing is under heavy fire. Also...

1) That's Lore's personal stream (i.e. He isn't a CM with blue text at that point)
2) He says, "I also don't get to make any of the decisions on that. So, don't take anything I say as gospel."

Beyond that, those on the Emerald Dream server are making a lot of noise about this, and rightfully so, since they can't even fight back at times. However, it would seem that many, many people--more so than usual--are fighting against large-scale multiboxers specifically, but also defending the small-scale multiboxers.

[Kayley]

I've been watching/laughing during his streams at work. The servers are generally fine until certain guilds get involved that like to spam guild banners/toys, for whatever reason that causes servers to freak out. I am able to do this with 20 characters myself (but I don't).
Still, it is what it is and we will see what happens.

[Smor]

I don't think anyone is fully doubting Blizzard, but it helps to speak up, as a multiboxer, when multiboxing is under heavy fire. Also...

1) That's Lore's personal stream (i.e. He isn't a CM with blue text at that point)
2) He says, "I also don't get to make any of the decisions on that. So, don't take anything I say as gospel."

Beyond that, those on the Emerald Dream server are making a lot of noise about this, and rightfully so, since they can't even fight back at times. However, it would seem that many, many people--more so than usual--are fighting against large-scale multiboxers specifically, but also defending the small-scale multiboxers.

Lore is basically Blizzard's representative. If he didn't know if they were going to ban multi-boxing or not, he would say "I don't know".

And about Emerald Dream, it's not just the 60 man multi-boxers fault. Anyone who is in the area and is casting spells contributes to the overall lag in the spell queue. Lag is inevitable, no matter how many players are in the area. The lag can be reduced though. If a players doesn't put down another non-stacking banner while there is already one down, then that can reduce lag. If a player doesn't cast any excess items into the battle that do not help at all, then lag can be reduced.

What Prepared does is fine. He's done 60 characters in the past, and Blizzard was fine with it. You want to know why they're fine with him doing 60 characters? It's because they treat it like he doing World PvP. If you replaced Prepared's 60 characters with 60 individual players that follow/assist the same person, then the same, if not, more lag is caused, which is inevitable.

Blizzard will NEVER ban multi-boxing because of a single person. Blizzard is not like the other shitty MMO companies. If a multi-boxer is PURPOSEFULLY causing lag (I don't see why they would want to), then they would BAN that person. If you don't believe me, then Prepared isn't the one you should be worried about getting multi-boxing banned. You should be worried about the 20 man alliance boxer who places down excess toys and casts fireworks in battle, filling up the spell queue with unnecessary items, not allowing other players spells to go off.

Let me state it again. You should not be worried about the state of multi-boxing.

[MiRai]

Lore is basically Blizzard's representative. If he didn't know if they were going to ban multi-boxing or not, he would say "I don't know".

If we want to be picky... To quote Lore on the stream you linked:

"Multiboxing itself, I don't think we have a problem with."

Sounds like he doesn't know.

And about Emerald Dream, it's not just the 60 man multi-boxers fault. Anyone who is in the area and is casting spells contributes to the overall lag in the spell queue. Lag is inevitable, no matter how many players are in the area. The lag can be reduced though. If a players doesn't put down another non-stacking banner while there is already one down, then that can reduce lag. If a player doesn't cast any excess items into the battle that do not help at all, then lag can be reduced.

What Prepared does is fine. He's done 60 characters in the past, and Blizzard was fine with it. You want to know why they're fine with him doing 60 characters? It's because they treat it like he doing World PvP. If you replaced Prepared's 60 characters with 60 individual players that follow/assist the same person, then the same, if not, more lag is caused, which is inevitable.

Blizzard will NEVER ban multi-boxing because of a single person. Blizzard is not like the other shitty MMO companies. If a multi-boxer is PURPOSEFULLY causing lag (I don't see why they would want to), then they would BAN that person. If you don't believe me, then Prepared isn't the one you should be worried about getting multi-boxing banned. You should be worried about the 20 man alliance boxer who places down excess toys and casts fireworks in battle, filling up the spell queue with unnecessary items, not allowing other players spells to go off.

Let me state it again. You should not be worried about the state of multi-boxing.

Now it all makes sense... You're in Prepared's guild on Emerald Dream. You're his buddy, and this is why you're defending him and his actions.

[Smor]

If we want to be picky... To quote Lore on the stream you linked:

"Multiboxing itself, I don't think we have a problem with."

Sounds like he doesn't know.


Now it all makes sense... You're in Prepared's guild on Emerald Dream. You're his buddy, and this is why you're defending him and his actions.

He actually does know. He's stated that he has brought up the subject before in meetings. Obviously, they do not have a problem with it. Otherwise, they would have banned it a long time ago.

And no, I am not in Prepared's guild. I am not in any of Prepared's guilds because I do not multi-box. I stopped a long time ago, but you can continue to say I am if it makes you feel better.

[MiRai]

He actually does know. He's stated that he has brought up the subject before in meetings. Obviously, they do not have a problem with it. Otherwise, they would have banned it a long time ago.

Bringing it up at a meeting means that he brought it up at a meeting. Whether he knows or not, for certain, is not known by you.

And no, I am not in Prepared's guild. I am not in any of Prepared's guilds because I do not multi-box. I stopped a long time ago, but you can continue to say I am if it makes you feel better.

I didn't say you were multiboxing alongside of him, or even at all; I said you were his buddy. If you're going to lie about it, then I have to call this out. Here goes...

You play characters which contain, but are not limited to, the name Bobbobolob and other variations of it. How do I know this? Because I do, and if you wish to know I'll gladly post the information here, but as of right now, I won't.

Here you are, on July 15th, 2015, multiboxing five characters on a Kazzak kill with Airborne (another multiboxer) from Sargeras. You say you stopped multiboxing "a long time ago," but I'd hardly consider 5 months (assuming you stopped the very same week of uploading that video) to be a long time. (Mirror)

Here is a video from Prepared showing his guild roster on stream from earlier this month. Look who shows up! Hint: It's you! (Armory / Mirror / Video Still)

Here you are in an even more recent video shown right at the heart of battle with Prepared, ensuring that he's healed. I'll also point out that you defend Prepared and say that he does not use banners or fireworks, but you seem to be overlooking the fact that, when attacked, he instantly increases his numbers by using Blacksmith pets, in addition to the 20+ totems all pulsating in the same area and affecting all of his units combined.

Here's another raid where you're hanging with Prepared.
Another raid on your character from Tichondrius--And before you try to pretend that's not you. Coincidence? Unlikely.

Also, your argument about how "60 individual players that follow/assist the same person" from your prior post is slightly ridiculous because such a situation would never occur. No large-scale, world PvP raid is ever going to bunch up like that... Ever. Without /follow, there's no way to keep that many people, who all play from different locations in the country with varying latency, to stay on top of one another like a multiboxer does, as well as the fact that you cannot get that many players to focus fire on individual targets like that. This may sound like I'm arguing against multiboxing, in general, but the larger the group of single players, the less effective they become at such things, which is why small-scale multiboxing is hardly any different than a small-scale group that you may run into in the outside world.

So, in closing, I'm glad you could join us, Bobbobolob. For someone who claims they are not Prepared's friend, you sure seem to be hanging out with him quite often, as well as vehemently defending him wherever you go, while trying to ensure that "the other guy" is the actual problem. Just so everyone is clear, you're defending things like this (mirror), and this. I'm sure there are plenty more examples, but I don't have time to watch all of his videos to pick things out.

Update: It looks as if you're still multiboxing (like you said you weren't), and in Prepared's guild (like you said you weren't).