Comparison of Octopus and Keyclone

[Temor]

so, you've had the software for 3 weeks, found something you didn't like, and i didn't respond to what? a post? wait, i did.

i guess you wanted what? more? i saw you bitch that v1.8f didn't have the changes YOU wanted... thanks for being self centered. the update list for v1.8f had 14 items on it. sorry if i'm not working fast enough for you (insert wilbur here)

as for the concerns here:
1. there is nothing i can do about pip swap performance. that is a wow issue when resizing due to internal rendering engines
2. shift and alt modifiers... yes, i know that one.. yes, i'd like it fixed.. but there are work arounds and other things to do for now. it is currently on the top of the list
3. run-aways... well, besides tacking your head to the desk, there isn't much i can do to improve your play style. considering the wall-of-text, i imagine you to be a massive masher. so... it's on the list (funny how i can play for hours with no run-aways, but then again, i'm not a masher)
4. focus change ... turn off 'focus follows mouse'
5. losing connectivity ... move out of the motel 6 and stop using a wireless network
6. cursor glitch between borders .. turn off 'focus follows mouse'

this is the list of bugs i have. total. and some aren't bugs (1, 5 and 6).
i am also putting out different features and requests from other users (*gasp* no... he must listen to ME!!)

anyhow, thanks for the wall-of-text ...

wilbur-translator ( "have a nice day" )

edit:
re-reading after the morning caffeine, and i realize my tone might be a bit ... harsh.
i'll boil it down to "thanks, your concerns are noted and i'm working on it" .

my time is limited. as is, i don't get to play much... instead putting that time into support and coding. i do what i can, improving the software the best that i can as i go.

as an fyi, anyone being 'demanding' usually rates extremely low in my book...

Response:

Firstly, how should I report issues with a product and not receive support for that product? Once again, your response is assuming I'm doing things such as using the mouse for replication which I am not.

1. Don't have any idea what you mean by pip swap performance. As far as I know I'm not using that. I'm using the minimal part of the product to only send keys from one of my machines (the main) to the clone machines. I don't use asdf or any keys for movement. I only use the arrow keys. I don't use any mouse replication from the main or any clones. I'm only using the basic functionality of the product.

2. Fair enough. Appreciate that you acknowledge the issue and that it needs to be fixed.

3. Could be. In PvP, things happen very fast, but not to see runaways maybe that you don't often run on separate machines and that is where the problem may be.

4. Once again, not using the mouse. In fact, this problem occurs on my clones which happens when I don't press keys on those keyboards. It happens randomly where the window (when I was using windowed mode, since switched to full screen to see if some of the issues would be resolved, but they weren't) will switch to any other application that is running such as the Internet Explorer or Task Manager. This doesn't happen with Octopus or when only WoW is running.

5. Not using a wireless network at all. My wired network is as solid as you can get it. All machines are right next to each other and there is no issues with any connectivity between them that I have experienced in 5 years.

6. Once again not using the mouse for replication. Focus follows mouse is not clicked. Here are the settings in Keyclone that I had set after installation: 'do-not-pass', added TAB, LEFT, UP, RIGHT, DOWN, NUMLOCK, TILDE on my main computer. For the clones, checked 'white-list'. On the clones, checked 'auto-connect' and entered the IP address of the main computer which has not changed. I've not enetered or changed anything in command editor, general, keymap, mouse-map, proxy, round-robin, sound events as I am not using any of those features so the issues I've noted are not with any that functionality.



I'm not demanding anything from you. You can do as you please, it's your software. I've moved on to what I have observed is a much better product without the 'issues' your product has. I'm not bashing you, it's not my intent. All I'm reporting to the community is my observation on the products I've used for multi-boxxing. That's all, it's not my intent to flame here, just report on the findings that I've seen in the products. That's it, if you feel otherwise, I can try to explain the best I can, but this is what I've found and feel it's necessary to report it.

[keyclone]

how should I report issues with a product and not receive support for that product?

report an issue... hmm... let's see... PMs, emails, phone calls, irc, vent.. nah. public forums to air your rant-fest, that's what you chose each time.

you've only made a few posts.. and the majority of them are participating in... highlighting bugs (otherwise known as bashing). (posts: http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/in...ch&userID=3917)

not once did you send a PM requesting information, but instead choose to air it publicly. i see that as whining in public in an effort to influence me and get what you want. personally, anyone that behaves like that.. in my book... believes themselves above others and expect their desires to be met immediately.

you will get the opposite response from me... every time.

as for problems with it disconnecting or it just stops working... well.. do you have a registered copy on each machine?

[tooboxinit]

I have had my char runaway too many times to count, almost wipe my group and stand in place and spin around for no reason until i bash the fuck out of the WASD keys and it fixes itself.....and that is when im NOT using keyclone, that crap only happens when im smacking my movement keys like crazy [IE-dealing with another undead rogue........] in my opinion that is a wow issue, maybe keyclone is part of the problem for you who knows. i have no problems with keyclone and since i have started using it rob has promptly fixed any issue people complain about that really matters. Its ok to compare programs, but your entire post (the original poster) wasnt talking much on the plusses of octopus but rather just slamming keyclone over and over. The program is great and the support is as good as it comes. I hope no new boxers read your post and let it sway them from this awsome program, i refuse to dual box without it or even give another program the time of day due to how efficient this program is for me

[Gurblash]

Octopus has NONE of the issues listed above. In fact, it has no issues so far that I've run into. And on top of that, it does things that Keyclone doesn't do. A really BIG one is that capitalization works across machines. Keyclone doesn't support capitalization.

So my question is, is it better to have a product that has good product support or a product that requires no product support? And on top of all those issues and support question, Octopus provides the source code! So if you want, you can look at it, recompile it, and be secure knowing there isn't any questionable transmission of data.

I'm glad to see you took the time to make a thoughtful and insightful comparision between the two products :wacko:

I have been using keyclone on my laptop for about 4 months now. Im running 5 instances of wow up and am utilizing the PiP function. Great software and in my time using it, I've never ran into any issue Rob couldn't solve. Hell he even helped me out with my Regions getting them all to the correct display ratio :thumbsup:.

So before you come in here and rant and kick down Keyclone and try to compare it to another product... bring more valid points about their cons and pros. Not your pitiful comparison.

[Tehtsuo]

Here are the settings in Keyclone that I had set after installation: 'do-not-pass', added TAB, LEFT, UP, RIGHT, DOWN, NUMLOCK, TILDE on my main computer.

That's all? No wonder you're getting runaways!

[Tehtsuo]

Here are the settings in Keyclone that I had set after installation: 'do-not-pass', added TAB, LEFT, UP, RIGHT, DOWN, NUMLOCK, TILDE on my main computer.

That's all? No wonder you're getting runaways! Look, I don't want to scare away any business for Keyclone, but it sounds like it's not for you. There's a lot more configuration to do than what you've mentioned to make it work the way you want. If Octopus is that much easier to configure, go for it. Leave Keyclone alone though.

[Ellay]

Less hostility I <3 you all~

[Temor]

Here are the settings in Keyclone that I had set after installation: 'do-not-pass', added TAB, LEFT, UP, RIGHT, DOWN, NUMLOCK, TILDE on my main computer.

That's all? No wonder you're getting runaways! Look, I don't want to scare away any business for Keyclone, but it sounds like it's not for you. There's a lot more configuration to do than what you've mentioned to make it work the way you want. If Octopus is that much easier to configure, go for it. Leave Keyclone alone though.

What other option is there to tell it NOT to pass a key? I pressed LEFT one time on my main computer and all of my clones turned around to the left. They kept turning to the left until I press the LEFT key on each of the machines for those clones. Please explain what other option is there to stop the runaways? If you're saying that's all I did, please let me know what it is to stop them. I didn't press SHIFT, I didn't press any other keys. Another time, I pressed UP ARROW and my main and the clones which were on auto follow all went forward and when I stopped with my main, all of the others kept going. It wasn't until I press UP ARROW on each of the clones that they stopped. You're saying there is more configuration to stop this from happening. Why is there not that information that you're saying is included in the configuration posted here on the forum where others have presented this problem? There are many others that have posted this same issue and there is no information about what other configuration options are needed to stop that behavior.

[keyclone]

the run-aways happen with strict hardware setups as well.. no software. odds are, it's internal to wow. that is not to say that i may find a solution, it's just that it's not specifically a keyclone problem.

there is a whole thread on this, and many other topics... which you might have known had you used 'search'

thus, you deserve a piece of advice i have not given in a very, very long time (decades even...)

RTFM

(and with that, i am done with this thread.. PM me if you have actual questions)

[Temor]

how should I report issues with a product and not receive support for that product?

report an issue... hmm... let's see... PMs, emails, phone calls, irc, vent.. nah. public forums to air your rant-fest, that's what you chose each time.

you've only made a few posts.. and the majority of them are participating in... highlighting bugs (otherwise known as bashing). (posts: http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/in...ch&userID=3917)

not once did you send a PM requesting information, but instead choose to air it publicly. i see that as whining in public in an effort to influence me and get what you want. personally, anyone that behaves like that.. in my book... believes themselves above others and expect their desires to be met immediately.

you will get the opposite response from me... every time.

as for problems with it disconnecting or it just stops working... well.. do you have a registered copy on each machine?

bashing??? So you're saying that every person that has posted an issue on these forums is bashing your product? Whatever.