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  1. #1

    Default Comparison of Octopus and Keyclone

    Having been a registered user of Keyclone for three weeks, I really got fed up with all of the bugs I ran into and none of them being recognized each time I reported them. Others have reported the same issues that I've had. In searching through the descriptions of the different key replication programs on here, the best description appears to be Keyclone. Why? Because at first glance, you think that a product with good support is a good way to go. I'm here to tell you, that's a wrong assumption. Below are my findings in using Keyclone versus now using Octopus:

    1. Keyclone occassionally has runaways. This can occur at any time and cause your character(s) to die as a result.

    2. Keyclone has a key registration server that can be down sometimes. What if the company goes out of business and shuts it down? All those copies sold no longer work.

    3. Keyclone sometimes causes your focus of your application to change from your game. This can occur with full screen or windowed. I've seen it several times. Didn't bother reporting that one because I didn't get any acknowledgement that my previous posts were actually bugs. In fact, the support I received was 'are you sure you're not running out of memory?'. I had to post several times my memory configuration. A simple post later after I had provided all of the requested information was 'I'll look into that one, others have reported this problem too, etc.'

    4. Keyclone occassionally will lose connectivity between machines and not work. Restarting it fixes it. But when you're in a battleground, this means death because of a lack of a solid product. In 3 weeks, this issue happened maybe about 7 or 8 times. Sometimes it showed 'program not responding' in the title bar. But other times, as others have posted as I have, it wouldn't show that, it would just not work.

    After being completely frustrated with Keyclones issues and dying in the battlefield, I looked at the 'Comprehensive list of Software tools' again. When I tried Synergy before, I didn't get it working, but only spent about 5 or 10 minutes. So because I use multiple machines, I looked at Octopus. Downloaded the required software to my machine ( MS.net 3.5 and vc redistributable 2000 ) for my Windows Vista machines and got it set up within about 20 minutes. The entire key to getting it working is that you must run it as Administrator on Windows Vista. If you don't, it won't run, just closes with no message.

    Octopus has NONE of the issues listed above. In fact, it has no issues so far that I've run into. And on top of that, it does things that Keyclone doesn't do. A really BIG one is that capitalization works across machines. Keyclone doesn't support capitalization.

    So my question is, is it better to have a product that has good product support or a product that requires no product support? And on top of all those issues and support question, Octopus provides the source code! So if you want, you can look at it, recompile it, and be secure knowing there isn't any questionable transmission of data.

    If you have any questions about how I came to the conclusions here, I'll be more than happy to provide the results that I've found in working with both of these programs. My posts on dual-boxing.com show the issues I've run into and the responses to them. To be fair, I've not used any mouse logic between either Keyclone or Octopus so I don't know how that compares. All my use of the programs is using the keyboard because that's how I play for the fastest PvP play time.

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    I've also tried both, but currently using Keyclone, there are a couple of features missing in Octupus (or I haven't figure out how to use them in Octupus.)

    a) Round robin
    b) Picking a processor affinity when launching copies of WoW.

    I know C# and driver development quite well but I don't have MSVC 2008 at home. I wish I could use Express editions and I would add these features myself and give them to the author.

    Keyclone works OK for me -- my biggest complaint is the white-list bug still isn't fixed causing me major headaches.

    I might end up rolling out my own, compared to the stuff I do at work this is cake.

  3. #3

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    I have to say, when you run 5 or 6 heroics a day and at the end of the day you realize you wiped, say 15 times. Well for me about 75% of my wipes are ( or were ) caused by the key hanging issues with keyclone. Keyclone does not pass modifer keys properly which causes a lot of issues. Mainly any hotkey you pass that has a modifier ( ie alt w ) when the mod key is lifted before the normal key this causes a lot of issues. For example, I use ctrl 1 to fire my dps classes nukes. Say I accidently ( because yes im hitting keys very quickly ) release ctrl before 1 once, that means when I go to hit shift 1 ( my cc hotkey for my first mage ) it isnt going to work until I hit ctrl 1 again. So the result is me going into a panic smashing shift 1 realizing its jammed as I have a shattered hand beserker smashing my priest face in, realize I have to hit something to unjam it guessing keys until finally I hit ctrl 1 again ( priest dead now ) and then interrupting my nuke spell and FINALLY resheeping said mob. I have tons and TON of colorful storys like this one to tell, of chars running off into packs of mobs, casting nukes when they should be casting cc spells, spinning in circles or just doing nothing at all because my autofollow key is jammed ( shift 4 ). So yes after reading this post I went and got octopus, no more key jams, it does seem to have a steep learning curve but what doesnt around here. Keyclone got me started and I do like the program and don't regret buying it, however for higher end highspeed play the keyjams are simply brutal and unless you only use like 10 hotkeys at any given time and just want to move all your chars at the same time all the time ( wont fly i n heroics trust me ) then you'll run into this same issue I have.



    I will say I play 5 different classes so maybe its just an issue with me because I have more "individualized" hotkeys.

    PS: thanks for the post you've saved me a LOT of aggravation, I hadn't even looked at octopus before today, which is ironic because skarlot's vidoes are what got me started 5 boxxing
    Long time hydra ....
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    Wow, so you guys have been here less than 2 months and already laying into one of our veterans pretty hard, nice manners.

    I'm not going to get into a technical debate on the issue but you need to understand that Rob (Keyclone) is one of the most important people in this community and trashing him and his work like this is rude and narrow sighted. Rob has done an incredible amount for this community and has objectively guided hundreds into their multiboxing adventures. He is constantly on here providing support for not only his product but for multiboxing in general. I'm sure that keyclone has it's problems, all software does, but attacking such a veteran and contributing member openly on the forums is not the way to address them. Should the problems be 'white washed' and all of us push keyclone on every new user because Rob's a great guy? I'm not saying that either. Just exercise a little tact.
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    (Alts) 1xPriest, 1xWarlock, 1xWarrior -> Elothin(70), Elozen(70), Elothan(70)

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    1: Runaways can happen with autohotkey too; it's simply the way windows handles it more than how it's sent.
    2: I kinda worry about that too fair enough, and being told "it's been up since 97 no worries" isn't what I wanna hear, never know what'll happen in the future :p So I can agree with you on there to an extent, though the subject of protecting the software is a touchy one that's not really solvable either
    3: I've not ONCE had my window focus switch, ever. Sure yer not just holding alt for a skill and hitting tab to target by accident? :p I've done it before, it's simply habit for alot of us. Other than that explainable reason my windows stay where they're supposed to and the front one stays on top unless I tab to another.
    4: Can't comment on that as I use a single machine :p

    Now opinions are fine and all the software options have their good points just as keyclone does; but don't go putting down some of the above when it doesn't happen to everyone; computers are mysterious sons of bitches and really picky about how well they work and for how long and with what programs, and it varies from comp to comp even with similar/same specs.
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    so, you've had the software for 3 weeks, found something you didn't like, and i didn't respond to what? a post? wait, i did.

    i guess you wanted what? more? i saw you bitch that v1.8f didn't have the changes YOU wanted... thanks for being self centered. the update list for v1.8f had 14 items on it. sorry if i'm not working fast enough for you (insert wilbur here)

    as for the concerns here:
    1. there is nothing i can do about pip swap performance. that is a wow issue when resizing due to internal rendering engines
    2. shift and alt modifiers... yes, i know that one.. yes, i'd like it fixed.. but there are work arounds and other things to do for now. it is currently on the top of the list
    3. run-aways... well, besides tacking your head to the desk, there isn't much i can do to improve your play style. considering the wall-of-text, i imagine you to be a massive masher. so... it's on the list (funny how i can play for hours with no run-aways, but then again, i'm not a masher)
    4. focus change ... turn off 'focus follows mouse'
    5. losing connectivity ... move out of the motel 6 and stop using a wireless network
    6. cursor glitch between borders .. turn off 'focus follows mouse'

    this is the list of bugs i have. total. and some aren't bugs (1, 5 and 6).
    i am also putting out different features and requests from other users (*gasp* no... he must listen to ME!!)

    anyhow, thanks for the wall-of-text ...

    wilbur-translator ( "have a nice day" )

    edit:
    re-reading after the morning caffeine, and i realize my tone might be a bit ... harsh.
    i'll boil it down to "thanks, your concerns are noted and i'm working on it" .

    my time is limited. as is, i don't get to play much... instead putting that time into support and coding. i do what i can, improving the software the best that i can as i go.

    as an fyi, anyone being 'demanding' usually rates extremely low in my book...

  7. #7

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    I'm not trashing anyone, I'm giving an objective review of a product I bought. In no way was I narrow minded, the program has some issues. Like I said I don't regret buying it but in certain cases it is extremely frustrating to use. You can't fix problems if noone speaks about them, and noone will speak about them if you get so emotional over it, this was in no way a trashing nothing I said above was out of anger or hate I just wanted people to know that hey .. there are some problems and as it goes octopus is a great program to get around them depending on your situation. If thats taken around here as a trashing then I guess I won't post anymore.

    PS: this is not a random issue, pass any key combo ie shift + w, let off shift before w and you will find the W key is stuck on whatever window you passed it too, the same is true for any modifier key combination octopus does not have this issue as it apparently is able to read key commands weather they are passed or not and decide if it should use them. Point is, pass one key at a time? keyclone is the way to go, have lots of modified keybindings? you should probably use octopus for now

    I've spoken to rob on the phone about this, he is working on it but my god if i can use octopus for now and save myself the trouble of dealing with the bugs I sure am going to, and if rob does implement a fix then yes, I'll use keyclone again sure .. but up to this point it doesnt seem to be acknowledged as a bug, just something you have to work around as the poster above has itterated yet again .. and octopus actually fixes this .. had the original poster not posted I wouldnt have known that.

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  8. #8

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    You are trashing someone, namely Keyclone and his software. If the software doesn't work for you that's fine. You would even be within your rights to ask for a refund, or post a thread to let people know how well Octopus is working for you, and explain that it has a lot of the functionality of Keyclone. However, this topic sounds like slander. You seem to be trying to dissuade people from trying out/using Keyclone, and I'm sorry but you're in the wrong forum for that.

    I have no doubt that if Keyclone ever decided to turn off his registration key servers, he would release an unprotected version of his software. However, as long as that doesn't happen, anyone who wants to complain about his methods of protecting his intellectual property will get no sympathy from me.

    ::edit:: - I suppose you weren't trashing Keyclone like I said, just reread the thread, and I think I was confusing you with the OP. My apologies to Mrmcgee21, but the majority of my post still applies to the original poster. :S

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    wow runaways.. woo big deal.. take a second get them back.. no biggies..

    I'm not sure about the alt modifier thing.. i use it all the time with my g15 keyboard with the UI mod for it and haven't had a single issue.

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    3. run-aways... well, besides tacking your head to the desk, there isn't much i can do to improve your play style. considering the wall-of-text, i imagine you to be a massive masher. so... it's on the list (funny how i can play for hours with no run-aways, but then again, i'm not a masher)
    I played all day long my last weekend, running instances like crazy and I got not even one runaway the whole time ... I put shift+WASD / alt+WASD and strg+WASD on the blacklist
    -> works just fine, for me.

    my time is limited. as is, i don't get to play much... instead putting that time into support and coding. i do what i can, improving the software the best that i can as i go.
    And you're doing a hell of a job rob! I'm sure almost everybody will agree with me here.

    Xorn

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