Grinder

[Tool of Society]

I haven't been running much the last couple months. Yesterday I ran for the first time in a month. I only ran 9 sites before calling it a night.

Tonight I decided to institute some of the changes I've been daydreaming about for a while now. So I call this Fleet V3.0 as it's a departure from the old fleet v2 comp I ran before.

V3.0
Loki primary DDD with 5 domis assigned
Nightmare secondary DDD with 1 domi and 2 nestors assigned
6 t2 garde Domis
2 Nestors with t2 gardes
Prospect for ore/haxor
Astarte with 4 or 5 links not set yet

Link to fits : http://i.imgur.com/GIIVPIL.jpg

I went with pulse and scorch on the nightmare for the extra tracking and simplicity involved. The NM targets the niarjas at the start then moves to cruisers. I run 2x tracking and 1x optimal scripts on the NM. The loki does the usual kill order.

Domis still run 4x tracking 1x optimal scripts

6 rep nestors are plenty of repping power. The tracking linked improved effective dps but more importantly the DLA meant that the drones were activating consistently. The nightmare tends to shoot cruisers outside of the normal control range of the nestors. The DLA means I don't have to make sure the nestor's gardes are shooting.

Prospect is running t2 data analyzers on top of a tank with prop mod. I've started hacking OTAs but I'm not 100% sure if it's improving site times or not. I need more time to get used to the current fleet comp and to get more samples.

Astarte is running 4 links because nestors are cap stable without the damage control II link. I'm thinking of putting the shield harmonizer link in as a replacement.

Videos of typical sites for this setup.

OTA


NMC


NCO : Short warp but a 55 AU warp would of added only 11 seconds.



Comments?

[fknra]

Nice. Have you tried a Bhaalgorn as a DDD/Webber yet? with 4 Tachs it can alpha a niarja and reach out a ways. (it's pricey, but seems to work well)

I'm just starting out and it's your vids that kindof inspired me to give it a shot. I use ISboxer on one monitor just to split my 2 nestors even down the screen (i hate how in windowed mode they overlap) and then the domi's run on the other screen just normal stacked like yours.

I'm running 2 cap stable nestors, 5 sentry Domi's, 3 gecko/accolyte Domi's and a Bhaalgorn for my webber/ddd. (I like having the extra buffer as I'm still getting used to this whole macro/micro manage. had a buddy run one of my nestors the other night just cause he wanted to see what it was like as far as how the damage application went. boy, with someone else helping with 1 logi, the ota's we were doing were 6 minute payouts. (alone i get closer to 12 now). with boosts i'm getting ~30k on the web range with the bhaal (only min BS-III on that toon) so he's running 4meta4 Tachs with multifreq, 2 fed navy webs, 2 target painters and a SeBo. had a couple other friends come along in their marauders just for fun for a couple sites to watch how things went and they were pleasantly surprised at how fast the niarja was going byebye. Everything is overtanked right now with 2 EANMs and a Plate on everything, and it's still 1-2 shotting all the frigs. I'm sure site times will improve once i can graduate to T2 guards instead of fed navy. But this is fun.

[Tool of Society]

I haven't tried the bhaalgorn because I don't want to train Minmatar BS V just to have shorter webs and a longer lock time. I don't use minmatar ships so I'd have no other use for the skill.

[bugme143]

FYI fknra, this Rapier gets 45.3k EHP no implants no boosts:

[Rapier, Webber Armor]


Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II


Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Target Painter II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script


Dual Light Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency S
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]


Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

And this Loki gets 86.2k EHP no implants no boosts:

[Loki, Loki fit]

1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Kinetic Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II


Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Target Painter II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script


Dual Light Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency S
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]


Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector

The Loki is a modified C5 Loki fit. When I ran dual Basis + Rattlesnakes, my shield Loki only had a DC2 and Extender rigs for tank. I personally prefer the Rapier over the Loki because it gets 56km webs with FedNavy, compared to the Loki's 35km. In my entire VG life, I've only ever lost 1 DDD, which was the Loki, but it was due to mass disconnects that occurred some months back.
The Loki has fewer midslots than the Rapier, but it makes up for that with some spare lowslots.
IMHO, the Loki is more newbie friendly than the Rapier thanks to the base resist profile and rigs, but the Rapier wins once you get comfortable.
I'll post more when I get back to the internet.

[fknra]

I may give the rapier/loki a shot, my current "ddd" pilot is only a temp as he finishes training into remote armor rep 5 and electronics upgrades 5 so he can fly the nestor. My main (which is stuck in the nestor till said ddd pilot is done in another 10 days) can fly all the fun stuff so i'll be trying different compositions as i get more comfortable and the fleet matures. At first i figured "ya i can have this up and going in 2 months..." 4 months later and i'm just getting into running, anyone who says this is just "too easy and an isk faucet" has obviously never tried to put together a fleet let alone actually fly one. I would put the stress levels at "riding a motorcycle at 90% of it's performance envelope" levels. it's manageable till the rear breaks loose and you get that adrenaline surge as you have to react or die.

[bugme143]

anyone who says this is just "too easy and an isk faucet" has obviously never tried to put together a fleet let alone actually fly one. I would put the stress levels at "riding a motorcycle at 90% of it's performance envelope" levels. it's manageable till the rear breaks loose and you get that adrenaline surge as you have to react or die.

Paging CCP Fozzie....

lol who am I kidding? Nobody in CCP knows how to use ISBoxer.

[Tool of Society]

I need to correct something. My current loki has 2 sig amps, tracking enhancer, 1600 t2 , Corelum C-type EANM, and A DCU II. I accidentally showed an older fit in the image.


Bugme's loki is more tanked than mine (which isn't a surprise as c5s require it). The fit I linked can handle 100% influence with relative ease if you're used to running your fleet otherwise another EANM helps. Tamas and the Nation commander are the only ones that do kinetic/exp damage and they do it with missiles that have an explosion radius of 450m. I always target Niarja > tama/commander so there really isn't much in the way of explosive/kinetic damage flying around. What missile damage is done is hindered by my fleet having smaller sig radius than the missiles.

I've been looking at the rapier ever since our conversations about the loki months ago. Since I basically had the same pre-reqs for the loki AND the rapier I always meant to give the rapier a try. The Nolak's rapier locks 1 second faster then my current loki on the smallest targets. So lock time is effectively the same. What is nice about the rapier is that the TPs get a bonus from it on top of the extra web range. My loki pilot is one of a few in the incursion fleet that can use missiles effectively. As a phoenix pilot she has almost all the related damage skills at IV and V. So I'm actually thinking of using heavy missiles with her as I sometimes fire off the arty too early. The delay in the missile hit could allow for the webs to bleed more speed before impact.

The fit I've been meaning to try is kind of similar to Nolak's. Since I don't view kinetic/exp to be much of a threat I don't bother specifically tanking against it. Also the extra Sebo is at best 1 less second in targeting but if you watch my videos that one second really is meaningless 99% of the time for me. It should always be meaningless but I'm not perfect at my rotation. I also prefer two TPs as the effective dps increase is noticeable with the second one (she has IV signature focusing).

[Rapier, VG DDD 3 web 2 TP 1 sebo]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Missile
Auto Targeting System II

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


The downside on the rapier is that it has half the EHP of the loki.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

anyone who says this is just "too easy and an isk faucet" has obviously never tried to put together a fleet let alone actually fly one. I would put the stress levels at "riding a motorcycle at 90% of it's performance envelope" levels. it's manageable till the rear breaks loose and you get that adrenaline surge as you have to react or die.

As multiboxers, we're not your average 1-account-blob-until-walking-dead-comes-on type, so we tend to make this stuff look easy/OP to the casual observer. It probably IS an ISK-faucet once you get it working well, but the whole "vanishingly small numbers" perspective and time investment in getting it to the faucet stage that the WoW devs understand apparently still eludes certain companies.

[bugme143]

As multiboxers, we're not your average 1-account-blob-until-walking-dead-comes-on type

Tell that to Fozzie and CBB

[Tool of Society]

As multiboxers, we're not your average 1-account-blob-until-walking-dead-comes-on type, so we tend to make this stuff look easy/OP to the casual observer. It probably IS an ISK-faucet once you get it working well, but the whole "vanishingly small numbers" perspective and time investment in getting it to the faucet stage that the WoW devs understand apparently still eludes certain companies.

I'm usually under the influence of something when I'm running. I definitely was when I was making those videos and when I had the friendly contest.

When I first started out I couldn't even think of doing that. It's practically muscle memory at this point.