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[iThirdAge Solette]

Micromanagement requirements means that I end up doing less dps at some points.

Overall it's too much effort for too little return.

thats exactly what i mean, when you have more stuff to worry about your dps will be lower than what it looked like on paper due to not being able to manage everything

however, to get the same stats as he does on those drones, youd have to pimp every domi. his fit is dirt cheap and super effective.

my fleet costs in total about 3.5B, the fleet ToS uses would cost ~6B (just an estimate) for the hulls only.

EDIT: but obviously, armor is better than shields in this situation

[Tool of Society]

There was a noticeable improvement in dps in NCOs. If the niarjas weren't behaving so differently there would be a noticeable overall increase in OTA dps. The few times I was able to get past the first wave without being jammed to hell my OTA ticks were under 6 min 30 seconds. Probably because my fleet dps was spiking higher on deltoles. NMCs didn't see any real improvement as I'm killing almost all the stuff outside the range of the blasters.

Null ammo might of helped the situation but I found the frustrations of the radically different behavior of the niarja AI in OTAs to cause the whole thing to be not worth it.

Median prices
Astarte booster 470m
venture ore 6.9m Prospect is 29.5m
Loki DDD 772m
domi 291m x7
nestor 2.150b x2 I use heavy hull/armor II bots and gardes x10

Total cost today without looking for deals for less then 7.6b

Now over the years of me doing this I've only lost one nestor and that's despite gank attempts and server disconnects. The one nestor I lost was last year and it was because I was training newbros and I was super tired. I was about to call the fleet but I decided "oh just one more site" and I warped the nestor to the wrong site.

[Jacobsalt]

There was a noticeable improvement in dps in NCOs. If the niarjas weren't behaving so differently there would be a noticeable overall increase in OTA dps. The few times I was able to get past the first wave without being jammed to hell my OTA ticks were under 6 min 30 seconds. Probably because my fleet dps was spiking higher on deltoles. NMCs didn't see any real improvement as I'm killing almost all the stuff outside the range of the blasters.

Null ammo might of helped the situation but I found the frustrations of the radically different behavior of the niarja AI in OTAs to cause the whole thing to be not worth it.

Astarte booster 470m
venture ore 6.9m Prospect is 29.5m
Loki DDD 872m
domi 291m x7
nestor 2.150b x2 I use heavy hull/armor II bots and gardes x10

Total cost today without looking for deals = 7.7b

Now over the years of me doing this I've only lost one nestor and that's despite gank attempts and server disconnects. The one nestor I lost was last year and it was because I was training newbros and I was super tired. I was about to call the fleet but I decided "oh just one more site" and I warped the nestor to the wrong site.

So you are simply overkilling and not worrying about the 4 second hard floor on sentries? Im considering using a slightly different fit for a good chunk of gecko and acolyte domis to even up the mix. I figured that if I had one vindy with heavies and acos assigned I would realize better consistency. I also figured that I would default to null for that very reason. What I wonder is, would having the 11th person on grid in hisec be that bad or would it allow for more dps and faster sites (assuming: 1xloki with 5x sentry domi, 2x nestor (assigned to vindicator) 1x vindicator, 2x gecko/aco domis?

[Tool of Society]

So you are simply overkilling and not worrying about the 4 second hard floor on sentries? Im considering using a slightly different fit for a good chunk of gecko and acolyte domis to even up the mix. I figured that if I had one vindy with heavies and acos assigned I would realize better consistency. I also figured that I would default to null for that very reason. What I wonder is, would having the 11th person on grid in hisec be that bad or would it allow for more dps and faster sites (assuming: 1xloki with 5x sentry domi, 2x nestor (assigned to vindicator) 1x vindicator, 2x gecko/aco domis?

Yeah I'm back to overkilling right now.

I'm thinking of training one vindi into t2 guns. It'll be 16 days to do so. I was running praetors on the nestors and assigning them to the vindi. The vindi itself was using 5 garde IIs that I assigned to the loki because manually controlling the drones was tedious.

With null I could see a setup where I assign heavies from the nestors and some geckos/acos from one or two domis to a vindi. I liked the two vindis for NCOs because each of them were easily able to handle an eystur solo so I burned through the last wave quickly. The web range limit and the limited gun range were not a factor there and I noticed quicker NCO times as a result.

Since I use an ore runner I have 11 characters on grid for NMC turn ins. It's a slight increase in overall pay. I've been thinking of an ore dropper that can also contribute dps while having a good enough tank. That theory crafting was put off as I figured out other aspects of the fleet.

[iThirdAge Solette]

i was actually considering switching a domi for a vindi, not sure how its going to perform since i dont use off grid booster. any opinions?
im just not sure since the vindi would be used, in part, for its webs. since i wont have the web boosting i would only have aout 14km, so im just not sure...
even in the OTA's, on wich the vindi would purely focus on the deltolte, im not sure if it would work

[Tool of Society]

i was actually considering switching a domi for a vindi, not sure how its going to perform since i dont use off grid booster. any opinions?
im just not sure since the vindi would be used, in part, for its webs. since i wont have the web boosting i would only have aout 14km, so im just not sure...
even in the OTA's, on wich the vindi would purely focus on the deltolte, im not sure if it would work

I found that even with the warfare link and with fed stasis webs that I had range issues on the vindi webs. My booster pilot is perfect with all leadership at V (even fleet command and command ships are V). She has the federation navy implant for armored and skirmish links and the astarte has bonuses for both. So my interdiction maneuvers link is giving the max bonus possible.



My initial value of 6b isk was when I originally bought everything for the fleet. My second figure I posted in here is for what the absolute max you would pay if you didn't bother waiting or looking for deals at other trade hubs.

[Tool of Society]

I tossed the vindi and grabbed a tachmare to do further tests tonight. Since I had been questioned prior about performance under influence (in game :P) I'm going to post some new videos.

Start off with the fit of the new addition

[Nightmare, VG t2 tach armor cheap]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II

Republic Fleet Target Painter
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency L
Auto Targeting System II
[empty high slot]

Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Anti-Kinetic Pump II

Garde II x3

Rest of the ships are using the same stuff as before. They are overtanked for low influence so they are "okay" at the 35-40% influence I was running at. Ended the night at 33% influence. Health drops were worse than I expected. Controlling the two active dps clients with influence is going to take time as I adjust the rotation. It's much easier to run influence with just the loki and domis as dps.

OTA with 36 AU warp


NCO with 48 AU warp


I need more practice doing this but I think I can improve all times.

[Jacobsalt]

Your hp fluctuation did not look that bad. I have seen far worse in nullsec incursions, especially considering how skinny your resists are. On the NCO, why did you wait so long to drop all drones on your ships?

[Tool of Society]

Your hp fluctuation did not look that bad. I have seen far worse in nullsec incursions, especially considering how skinny your resists are. On the NCO, why did you wait so long to drop all drones on your ships?

Because stuff starts dying quite well with 3 domis assigned so I start killing and then slowly fill out the drones while attempting to keep the 1 kill per drone cycle going.

I find that getting the killing going asap is better then getting everything out at once when it comes to completion times.

I got into the concept of improving the rotation so I forgot to record most of tonight


EDIT : I was trying to error on the side of cautious so I would start targeting for reps before all drones were deployed.

I actually forgot about the NM's drones cause of it's near death experience when it took a nasty spike.

[iThirdAge Solette]

im interested in those web drones you have on the loki, how do they work for you?