C5 WH - Ishtar, VNI, Domi, or Tengu?

[LordsServant]

Looking at the drone proteus idea, I got to thinking what would be cheaper or w/e, but still outtank the ishtar.

More Tank, Slightly Less Dps:

[Prophecy, cheapFleet]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II


[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]


Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II


Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II


Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Gecko x1

Mids can be w/e u want.

[Myrmidon, wspace]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Internal Force Field Array I
Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating


Drone Navigation Computer I
Drone Navigation Computer I
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Medium Micro Jump Drive


Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]


Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II


Gecko x1
Gecko x1
Ogre II x4

less tank, more dps. I fleshed the mids out for speed/application.

Considering their relative cheapness you could roll faction DDAs on them and still be cheaper than proteus, depending.

Alternatively, for t3s....

[Tengu, wspace]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System


Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
EM Ward Amplifier II


Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile


Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers




124k ehp before bonuses or w/e, fully passive.

You can strip the rigs for application and still pack 75k ehp before bonuses.

597 dps w/fury, about 500 with faction.

No implants or w/e...which is a possibility unlike with drones where u dont have implants to buff ur dps etc etc.

Problem with missiles is ensuring all chars have same skills, as u dont want misaligned reload times.

Just a few thoughts I had this morning...

[Mosg2]

Ask, and ye shall receive My video is being encoded as I type this, and should only take a few minutes to upload to youtube since Korea has ridiculously awesome internet speed.

It will take me a few days to type up timestamps and topics, but it should be done at some point.

[Crayonbox]

The video he most recently uploaded is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjridfGJMM

[TheHamburglar]

I updated the sticky with the videos, Let me know if i'm missing any by anyone else that might be helpful

[Mosg2]

Well, depending on how much startup cash you have and what skills your main has... You can fly a decent Navy Apocalypse in a week, and 10 of those plus 1 logi will wreck incursions. It's not 2 bil pimped Nightmares, but it's still pretty good

[K'man]

Well, my main pilot has 207 mill sp as of today. Pretty well rounded. As I am writing this I only have 4 alts not even 3 days old. I highly considered running incursions as I watched a couple videos of them being multiboxed but I could never figure out the fitting on the navy apoc or the ships that were used.

Thank you for the feedback as it has been very useful and this thread probably answers a lot of peoples questions especially mine. The videos are a bonus and are very helpful.

[K'man]

Mosg2, I just finished watching your latest video and realized you numbered your alts with 001, 002, etc. Is that important when making sure they are in order? In regards to running incursions does that fleet require a booster? What kind of fitting would you suggest running with the Navy Apoc? Guardians for logistics? 4/2 setup?

[Mosg2]

If I were going to run 10 man Incursions, I would run 10 Navy Apocs, an off-grid booster, and 1 Scimitar. You can buy an off-grid booster relatively cheap, same with a Scimitar pilot if you don't have one. Then I'd train them into Nightmares. Running a Nestor and going with armor instead of shields is also an alternative.

No, having my characters with numbers at the end of their names was a conceit to being OCD, not for gaming purposes

[Crayonbox]

I never bothered with incursions, is it really that good for isk / hour? i know everyone does it because it is, but competing against those incursion groups just sounds like a pita

[K'man]

With the possibility of future restraints on incursions I thought of 10 x Legions, 2 x Guardians and 1 off grid booster. The fittings are as followed.


[Guardian incursion, Guardian]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
Imperial Navy Armor EM Hardener
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating


Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script


Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter


Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II




[Legion incursion, Legion]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Thermic Hardener II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I


Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script


Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M


Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II


Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Legion Defensive - Augmented Plating


I would swap scorch for navy multi since thy are in range. I also considered removing 1 web and adding another utility mod target painter, damp etc.


what do you think?