CPU upgrade

[ebony]

so its time to upgrade my CPU am still running a AMD hex 1100T

and was asking what you think be better for a 5 boxing rig. I don't have a lot of cash but this has to be done. i have a max off £300 nothing else in the system needs upgrading. so its just a motherboard (more then likey) and CPU


i have been looking at a AMD Piledriver FX-8 Eight Core 8350 Black Edition 4.00GHz but intel could be a better for playing more then one char. but i might be suck a i5? and i don't think this will last long into the xpac.

[Xixillia]

I know everyone's going to tell you to go intel so I'll put my 2c in first! The last intel processor I used was in my pentium 266mhz so I really can't say. I know that intel is doing well, and that lots of people swear by them - but.

I'm using the 8320 that I picked up for cheap on black friday. 5 - 7 boxing, main on ultra, all windows @ 1080p. In the MoP city I get around 40 fps on the main. The only times that I have issues are on ordos, and elegon.

The 8320 runs really quite well between 4.7 and 5.0 ghz, the only limiting factor is temperature for me as 5.0ghz with my intro cooler tends to get really close to 60 degrees. I think that if I were to pop another processor into my computer I'll go with the 8350 or if I rebuild my wife's computer another 8320.

[ebony]

I know everyone's going to tell you to go intel so I'll put my 2c in first! The last intel processor I used was in my pentium 266mhz so I really can't say. I know that intel is doing well, and that lots of people swear by them - but.

I'm using the 8320 that I picked up for cheap on black friday. 5 - 7 boxing, main on ultra, all windows @ 1080p. In the MoP city I get around 40 fps on the main. The only times that I have issues are on ordos, and elegon.

The 8320 runs really quite well between 4.7 and 5.0 ghz, the only limiting factor is temperature for me as 5.0ghz with my intro cooler tends to get really close to 60 degrees. I think that if I were to pop another processor into my computer I'll go with the 8350 or if I rebuild my wife's computer another 8320.

ah thanks this is great to hear last time i had a intel was a long time ago i lasted less then a year before i could no longer play. My hex core lasted end off WOTLK to end off mop so am really happy about the life i got out off it. or though in the time i have updated the Ram and the Gfx Card both are nowhere 100% under load. the 9xxx AMD cpus u can get seems higher priced so i don't think ill go with one of them.

Now i just need a montherbord.

Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 AMD 990X (Socket AM3+) DDR3 ATX Motherboard
or
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 AMD 990FX (Socket AM3+) DDR3 Motherboard

i had prob with asus in the past but i hear they got a lot better and it seems a better board though i could be wrong.

I upgraded my wife's AMD Phenom II system to an I7-2600k, 12gb ram, H80 water cooler, some other nice stuff but a shitty gpu for $600 US. Used, but mint condition off of craigslist. Could sell the AMD system for maybe $250-300 minimum. Used market could be a nice option where you're at.

the probs with the used market i find is the cpu could off be overclocked a lot ya i understand its a way out but unless i know who is selling it i don't really go ner the used market for cpus its not like AMD are that bad i have to get some 2nd hand overused cpu, that could be worse and be a waste off cash.

[Xixillia]

Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 AMD 990X (Socket AM3+) DDR3 ATX Motherboard
or
Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 AMD 990FX (Socket AM3+) DDR3 Motherboard

I would go with the gigabyte that you have listed. As I too have had issues with asus, (the last two asus mobos that I've had have had capacitors burn up.). So, the 8350 and that gigabyte would probably work for you.

[Damons]

I upgraded my wife's AMD Phenom II system to an I7-2600k, 12gb ram, H80 water cooler, some other nice stuff but a shitty gpu for $600 US. Used, but mint condition off of craigslist. Could sell the AMD system for maybe $250-300 minimum. Used market could be a nice option where you're at.

[MiRai]

You know exactly what I'm going to say... And that is that you should go with Intel.

The 8350 seems like such a small increase over the 1100T and AMD was criticized for so long because their Bulldozer chips were less powerful than the prior generation Phenoms when they were released. The 8350 is a Vishera chip which is the next step up after Bulldozer, but it's still far from the cream of the crop.

I guess my question is... Why are you in such a rush to upgrade right at this moment? You're looking to upgrade your machine for WoD, which is still months away, but can you not continue to save up more money over the next few months in order to make the move toward Intel?

Right now you have £300, but in the next few months surely you can save up another £200?

Intel 4770K              £260 - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=CP-471-IN
Motherboard (Gigabyte)   £160 - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=MB-434-GI

I've rounded up on the prices, but you you can even pick a cheaper motherboard if you'd like. The one I've got selected there was a quick pick and will allow you to throw a bunch of video cards in it and SLI them together (assuming nVidia) if you'd like.

[ebony]

I guess my question is... Why are you in such a rush to upgrade right at this moment? You're looking to upgrade your machine for WoD, which is still months away, but can you not continue to save up more money over the next few months in order to make the move toward Intel

my AMD died a few weeks ago why av not been in irc. anyway my quad-core does not cut wow much now adays.


so I got the AMD anyway and its a lot better then the hex was. But can see it getting overloaded fast I thinks.

[Xixillia]

Looks like the 4770 is on sale .

within our our real world application, How does it perform? Does anyone have one and 5 accounts to give a frame of reference? I've posted how my machine performs under a 5x scenario. Please don't think I'm being grumpy when I say this, but all I've ever seen are benchmarks and people saying, "Intel is better!" but not anything I can actually compare against. I'd love to see someone post how their 4770 with a midrange gfx card performs so we can compare. Truly.

[MiRai]

Looks like the 4770 is on sale .

within our our real world application, How does it perform? Does anyone have one and 5 accounts to give a frame of reference? Please don't think I'm being grumpy when I say this, but all I've ever seen are benchmarks and people saying, "Intel is better!" but not anything I can actually compare against. I'd love to see someone post how their 4770 with a midrange gfx card performs so we can compare. Truly.

I think you can look at the gaming section of any FX-8350 review and see that Intel processors are better at gaming.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/201...k-cpu-review/6
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6934/c...gpu-at-1440p/5
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/...overclocking/5
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/201...-8350-review/6
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages...review,18.html

Intel has also been shown to perform much better on Blizzard games than AMD has.

http://anandtech.com/show/6396/the-v...x4300-tested/5

I actually linked this stuff to you back in one of your other threads, but You can see in both WoW and SC2, AMD CPUs are far, far behind. Those charts show that a 2500K is faster than an FX-8350, and the 2500K was released in Q1'11 and went EOL Q1'13. Intel has since released two new generations of CPUs (Ivy Bridge and Haswell) since the 2500K era (Sandy Bridge), so you can assume Intel has pulled even farther ahead.

As for mid-range GPUs, well... If you went with Intel you're likely going to bottleneck your GPU long before your CPU for obvious reasons.

I've posted how my machine performs under a 5x scenario.

You sorta did, but you left out a lot of other details.

What GPU are you using?
The main client is using the Ultra preset or custom Ultra settings? (e.g. Ultra preset, but shadows on high, etc.)
ISBoxer with Instant Swapping enabled or other software?
DX11 or DX9?
What video settings are the slaves running at?
What FPS are both the main and slaves running at?
Do any of the clients have MSAA enabled? If so, how much?

And not necessary, but nice to know...

What is your average CPU and GPU load when flying above Vale of Eternal Blossoms?

When multiboxing is involved, there are a lot of factors that need to be considered and analyzed in order to compare one person's setup to another person's setup.

[Xixillia]

@mirai

dont think for a moment that I'm arguing with you about intel being better tan amd. I'll make a new thread here next week with all the stuff you mentioned so we can do a real life comparison. I'm not big on benchmarks or how well it does on other games, mainly interested on how things apply to our world.

When end I run my 4 accounts I run them all on dx11 main with every setting on ultra and that other thing maxed unless I'm raiding. Usually end up with 30-60 fps (capped@60 on main.). Background accounts capped @ 30 and all on low settings. When I du more than 4. I tweak a couple things here and there but usually only shadows and background fps.