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    Do you guys really think that Blizzard is going to track down every single person who has more than three BNet accounts and then personally ask them to choose which ones they want to keep? Or... Do you think that Blizzard is just going to choose for them? How do either of these scenarios make any sense at all?

    If anything, Blizzard will sit dormant until an individual is reported and then they'll be looked into. The same goes for account sharing... I'm sure a handful of multiboxers use accounts with names that don't match their main, but Blizzard isn't out actively looking for these people; it's only after you're reported is something like this found out. Blizzard leaves most in-game policing to the people that play their game... Have you ever been to Goldshire on Moon Guard (US)?

    And IP bans? Is this the 80s and we're all using dial-up? In this day and age with how limited IPs have become, how could Blizzard possibly know which IP is attached to who? What if there's a single building attached to a single router with one IP? You're telling me that everyone who plays WoW in that building is going to get banned because it looks like more than three BNet accounts are active? You could say, "No, they'll look at the names and see that's not true." I think you guys overestimate how much manpower Blizzard has or is willing to put into searching for people with more than three BNet accounts. Did Blizzard just hire a few thousand people and create a new team to crackdown on people with too many BNet accounts?

    What's funny, is that this clause has supposedly been part of the D3 ToS for over three months now since someone brought it up on the ISBoxer forum, but no one knows why it's there. It hasn't been enforced on a single D3 multiboxer who runs more than three accounts, so what would be different in World of Warcraft?

    Even if Blizzard took all the available support team manpower they had and began searching their database of millions upon millions of both active and inactive accounts, and could somehow enforce this the day it went active... How many multiboxers would be truly affected? Less than 1%? Even if enforceable, is only being allowed to play 24 accounts that limiting? At what point does one cross the line for "too many accounts"?

    I actually fear the day that World of Warcraft receives a more convenient F2P option that allows players to not be capped at level 20, because I know there will be so many people that will roll a ton of characters because "fuck Blizzard" or some other ridiculous reason. I fear that because of that, Blizzard may revisit their policy on multiboxing and move to abolish it once and for all. I can only hope that doesn't happen or that they'll at least still allow subscribed accounts to multibox.


    Quote Originally Posted by moog View Post
    So how does one request a refund from Blizztard if you've already got 4 x Diablo3?
    You don't. Why would you be entitled to a refund for a game you paid for months and months ago because something is going to change next month? Blizzard has the right to terminate your account for any reason they want, even if no reason is ever given -- This is part of the terms you agree to when playing their game; in fact, I believe this part of every game's EULA/TOS agreement.

    7. ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/CANCELLATION.
    BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE ACCOUNTS AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU.
    Source (Blizzard)

    8. ACCOUNT SUSPENSION/DELETION
    TRION MAY SUSPEND, MODIFY, TERMINATE OR DELETE ANY ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU.
    Source (Trion Worlds)

    I'm not going to go through every EULA/TOS, but it's pretty much worded the same way in each of them, regardless of which game you're playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiRai View Post
    Blizzard has the right to terminate your account for any reason they want, even if no reason is ever given -- This is part of the terms you agree to when playing their game; in fact, I believe this part of every game's EULA/TOS agreement.
    It's not because they write that in their ToS and you agree that it will hold in court. If they write in their ToS that from now on I have to smash with a hammer on my nuts or that I have to molest my dog prior to logging in, and I agree with that, ... Don't ask me how I came up with those examples, but you get my point. Every day there are lawsuits going on about the small letters in insurance/rental contracts/etc ... and customers win as much as companies win.

    If blizzard was to close down my account for no reason whatsoever (say because an employee finds it fun to do so), and if I was to go through all the trouble, pretty sure they will always lose the lawsuit (based on my domestic laws, laws they have to comply with if they sell their products overhere). I recall a lawsuit in holland years ago. Back then it was legal to download content for personal use (might have changed meanwhile). There was a website (service) that made you agree to not download any of their content (forgot the details), and that company lost all their claims in court, simply because the law overruled their ToS.

    You make it sound like Blizzard can sell me a game, and close down my account a minute after my payment just because they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenga View Post
    It's not because they write that in their ToS and you agree that it will hold in court. If they write in their ToS that from now on I have to smash with a hammer on my nuts or that I have to molest my dog prior to logging in, and I agree with that, ... Don't ask me how I came up with those examples, but you get my point. Every day there are lawsuits going on about the small letters in insurance/rental contracts/etc ... and customers win as much as companies win.

    If blizzard was to close down my account for no reason whatsoever (say because an employee finds it fun to do so), and if I was to go through all the trouble, pretty sure they will always lose the lawsuit (based on my domestic laws, laws they have to comply with if they sell their products overhere). I recall a lawsuit in holland years ago. Back then it was legal to download content for personal use (might have changed meanwhile). There was a website (service) that made you agree to not download any of their content (forgot the details), and that company lost all their claims in court, simply because the law overruled their ToS.

    You make it sound like Blizzard can sell me a game, and close down my account a minute after my payment just because they can.
    Good luck suing a multi-million dollar company over a $15 game in the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenga View Post
    You make it sound like Blizzard can sell me a game, and close down my account a minute after my payment just because they can.
    That's exactly what they 'can' do.
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    They never sold you a game. They sold you a license to use their game.

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    I'm not a lawyer but being banned for no reason would be enough grey area for a discrimination lawsuit.

    Remember the good lawyers out there do well because of the grey areas in the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMilitia View Post
    I'm not a lawyer but being banned for no reason would be enough grey area for a discrimination lawsuit.

    Remember the good lawyers out there do well because of the grey areas in the law.
    No lawyer would accept a suit like this on a contingency basis and blizzard has fuck tons of money to drag it out until youre broke.

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    Like i said and MiRai said Do not worry about it. it seems this has been on D3 for a long time and yet nothing is been done about it. Uni's over the world can have 100 off clients of one IP. so i can not see them IP banning anytime soon.


    As for them deleting accounts when ever they feel like it for no reason there in the full rights to do this, This is if they was to close down wow next week. They can without saying anything to you or giving you anything back. But we know this is not going to happen.

    And i know they do close down accounts all the time with no reason. (mostly gold seller stores)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Tire View Post
    No lawyer would accept a suit like this on a contingency basis and blizzard has fuck tons of money to drag it out until youre broke.
    Lawyers accept cases on contingencies all the time. Reasonable doubt ring a bell?

    If money is to be made and there is plenty of grey area to exploit the good lawyers wouldn't pass it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebony View Post
    And i know they do close down accounts all the time with no reason. (mostly gold seller stores)

    You contradicted yourself there. They DO close those sites down for a perfectly legal reason. Every ban I've seen was with reason. I've never, ever seen anyone banned for no reason at all. They always give one.

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