Ugh @ New AV

[thinus]

I logged in my rogue, all the BGs were down.
I logged in my 5-box team and started Crypts. Server restart.
Logged back in, did Crypts.
Logged in my rogue and did AV, the lag was so bad that it took about 15-20s for the server to register a command. I think there were 5 kills for the duration of the game. Both sides just zerged to the generals with a few capping bunkers/towers.
Joined WSG and it was better but we experienced numerous other glitches like people getting rez boxes right on their corpses as they die and don't get ported to the GY. I have a screenshot of an 11 vs 9 WSG.

Add to that the madly scrolling combat log and all the spam in the trade channel and I dust off my mental note about not playing on patch day. Opinion reserved until AV is actually playable.

[Maxion]

I played an AV and the lag was horrible. Heard the lag was gone a few hours later though.
I'm having some issues with the new chat windows though, for a while today my combat log wouldn't show anything other than rep gains and durability loss. And my general chat window resets to showing all the channels every time i log in (i keep my guild chat and other channels i like to read without getting scrolled off by trade spam etc in a different chat window), and to fix this i have to go into the settings for the general chat window, turn everything on, click ok, then go back in again and turn them back off. This fixes it until i log out. Not sure how i fixed my combat log.

[thinus]

Ran an AV yesterday. SS to follow. Horde - 600 odd bonus honor, Alliance - 24 bonus honor. I wonder what excuse the Alliance is going to use now.

[Mosg2]

They already knew that it just comes down to whether or not Horde plays D at IB or not. I toldya, this is just going to slow down the honor gains across all servers

[Dor]

just guess..they "accidentally" took off the realm listing for ppl in bgs...wondering if the shorter queues are due to them mixing in more servers per queue (ie 2 or 3 battle grps instead of just 1 battle grp) or for that matter all the battle grps in one big queue to make that many more ppl avail and therefore faster queue time

[thinus]

They already knew that it just comes down to whether or not Horde plays D at IB or not. I toldya, this is just going to slow down the honor gains across all servers

This is the same way we've played AV since 2.3 so there is no "honor slowdown" for me. Actually, it is an honor increase as due to the AV boycott our queue times were around 1 hour. Now it is minutes.

In a zerg game the Horde got 315 odd bonus honor and the Alliance got 285 odd honor and there were about 5 or 6 HKs. I accounted for 2 of those by killing 1 and being killed once defending a tower. I don't believe this is in the spirit of the game and it is an abortion brought on by meta gaming and honor rewards. If this was the "norm" in my battlegroup I wouldn't play AV.

I, for one, will be extremely happy if they can reduce AV honor enough that all the honor farmers go to other BGs and only the people that like playing AV actually go to AV. Unfortunately a lot of people will still show up just for the tokens.

I also predominantly play AV and WSG due to the lack of premade teams and because I only PvP for fun, I've already got most of the honor gear I can get (350+ res and 10K+ hp) and that is just from playing now and then when I am in the mood for pvp and need a break from the 5-box team. Getting honor gear has never been my motivation for going into BGs, well, except back in the day when gear were awarded based on rankings and I grinded rank 11 for the free epic mount.

My 5-box team is aimed at PvE and when I go into BGs I will go with the same attitude I go into BGs now, to achieve the objectives and to have fun, not to maximize my honour/hour. My aim is not to have a 2000+ rated arena team. The gear is not *must* have. I won't get frustrated when people don't play the BG the way I do because I can just walk away and quite happily not go into the BGs.

[Vyndree]

The difference here is primarily in the removal of HK diminishing returns.

Regardless of whether it's a turtle or not -- for once you're actually getting decent honor from sitting there and killing enemy players. So that bonus honor, to me at least, doesn't mean much anymore.

[Mosg2]

They already knew that it just comes down to whether or not Horde plays D at IB or not. I toldya, this is just going to slow down the honor gains across all servers

I disagree. People are actually playing AV now. So no matter how screwed up it is, you'll get more honor because you dont' have to wait 2 hours to play.

That's great for you that your battlegroup is getting more total honor per hour because of the que times, but it's just as valid for me to say that it's a bad change because my battlegroup is getting less. I'll say it again, I'm positive there are other solutions to the boycotting problem that doesn't involove forcing Horde to play D every game if they want any bonus honor at all.

Thinus: I understand where you're coming from, but you shouldn't get down on other people's play styles. Just because they don't enjoy doing a particular BG but *have* to because of the honor/mark system doesn't mean that they have any less right to play the game they want to. You can't judge other people wrong by your own arbitrary standard in life.

Also, I'm pretty sure they changed the server names so that you can't tell if it's a premade and afk out or take another que.

[Mokoi]

Nowhere did I say anything about right or wrong. You were whining about AV and how horrible it is and how people actually playing the BG different than you turns it into a clusterfuck, whaaaa, whaaaa, whaaa.

I just pointed out that if you changed your approach to AV you would enjoy it.

It's great that you get enough epeen out of winning

Someone once said, "Its not about winning or losing, its how you play the game".
I said, "play to win" and nothing about winning or losing. I chose my words carefully. And my epeen is not what makes AV fun for me, holding off Alliance long enough for a bunker to cap, tracking down that annoying stealther in our base, rushing to towers to defend, breaking the Alliance turtle at SP, disrupting the initial Alliance IB zerg, those are all examples of fun things that I do in AV. The most annoying thing in AV is someone QQing about their honor/hour in chat. Bring back the 8 hour AVs I say!

You're judging the world solely off of how YOU see it, and that's just plain wrong.

I do?

AV is not "pvp". It's "zergfest".

So you believe that AV was designed to be zerged so that players can maximize their honor/hour and that PvPing in AV was never the intention? Sounds to me like you are the one judging AV by how YOU see it and how YOU play it and why YOU don't enjoy it.

I believe that going into a BG with the sole intention of farming honor is not in the spirit of the game which is why I rarely go into AB and EotS as it is 90% dominated by premade teams with the sole intention of winning the game as soon as possible to maximize their honor gain and now with groups allowed the same thing will happen in AV. My objective against any premade team is to attempt to annoy them as much as possible by dragging out the game as long as I possibly can. And there are few things sweeter than a PuG beating a premade.

Except for the join as group option I don't see the changes being negative at all and I have to agree that in our battlegroup I don't see how it will make any difference for the Alliance either. The Alliance cried about the map being unfair and Blizzard changed it. The Horde has been crying for ages about the Alliance base being much better defended and that has never changed. Capping the towers and killing Balinda with a balanced defense/offense means you don't need to go into their base at all. Just blocking the Alliance at the top of the map and taking everything else will get you a win.


So why did you farm AV for honor? Why not EotS or AB? Why are you finished with it? I assume every new season will bring new honor gear.

I couldn't agree with every word here more.

Play the game because it's a game and not because its work. you have a job to maximize your gains/hour why not enjoy your way to the honor pvP gear? Afterall, why the hell are you even after pvP gear if you hate the PvP part of the game so much? LOL

[Eteocles]

Because SH is already capping by the time we even get to drek, then we have to clear IB tower, THEN try to take IB if it's not turtled; if horde dies on belinda, their run back has multiple path options to get back to the fight and to avoid the alliance zerg(We're usually still busy on drek/tower) whereas if an alliance dies at drek/tower without IB taken, and since SH is contested right off the fucking bat, we have to ride back from fucking STORMPIKE, and THROUGH the horde who ALWAYS gank every person who runs by, and we have ONE path choice: Up a thin hill past a horde-targeted tower past SH gy where there's even MORE horde sittin around defending it. Aka, alliance are afraid to die by pulling drek and with good reason; not to mention belinda just sheeps the nearest rogue, while drek fears the entire fucking raid all at once, which 90% of the time just "happens" to send them ALL out to the front door and out of los of drek.

Balanced my ass...grumble grumble lol

Lazy man's edit: Replace all instances of "Drek" above with "Galv"

As for Drek himself...I usually don't see people being too shy about pulling, problem is tanking him...if there's no raid-experienced tank available, I WILL pull aggro off any other tank. I have to hope the healers are paying attention and realize a boomkin is tanking since noone else can out-threat me lol