Sam DeathWalker 5.4 28 Box SOLO of Galleon

[Andreauk]

I don't get all this hate. For some of us managing something we couldn't do before is an accomplishment to ourselves. I thought we were all here because we had something in common? I managed to solo yogg Saron alone in the darkness on my frost dk in Blood presence, but to you that's prob crap because it's already been done.. but to me it was huge.

I think Sam is very theatrical - it's a little bit of an act.. I think he's quite entertaining and he means no harm at the end of it.

I only use Keyclone, and I do think that some of the software goes way too far.. being able to program multiple macros from within the program that press 5 buttons at once, aoe in 1 click for all windows, a workaround within the program to use mounts in battlegrounds where Blizz have clearly said they don't want follow enabled? I'd like to see some of the top pvpers who claim they multibox do it without a complex program.. oh and without a pocket healer of course!

Who are you to say that he isn't very impressive? I was happy that I managed to multibox heroics in crap gear using only Keyclone.. but now people are probably put off from posting (especially newcomers) because of the amount of epeen flying around here.

My point is though that each to their own.. Sam is clearly winding you up with a bit of banter and you bite like a good-un!

[Fat Tire]

[Tonuss]

I am up for the next challenge what do you suggest? Seems that the bar just gets higher and higher with no end in sight.

But that is how it always is with persistent-world games. More challenges are added, more power is given to characters, and the bar keeps being raised. It's the same for raid guilds who compete for world firsts.

I think what is missing is a place where people can agree on what makes a person "most powerful" and keep track of people who try to meet that standard. That is dependent on interest, of course, but it could also be good publicity for multiboxing in general. Having one person define "most powerful" and post his accomplishments should really only be the first step.

As for doing "the impossible" do not underestimate what you can accomplish as a multiboxer. Didn't Vyndree and her boyfriend finish Karazhan at level 70 by each boxing half the raid? And I recall that there was a multiboxer who did at least a few of the Ice Crown Citadel bosses by ten-boxing his own group, when WotLK was the current expansion. Lots of things seem impossible until someone does them. Heck, isn't this topic showing that a boss that seemed impossible at one point (especially on a PVP server) can be defeated? Getting to the title of "most powerful" should be less fun than trying to keep it, I would think.

[MiRai]

At first, I had a different reply, but then I thought this would be more fun.

You're backing yourself into a corner with your own arrogance, a disrespect for the common multiboxer, and a delusional mindset that you're the best there ever was. You disregard any attempt to reason with you, so you leave me no choice...

Sam Deathwalker of The Deathwalker Imperium, formerly of The Deathwalker Empire, I, MiRai, of Multiboxology, as a moderator of the dual-boxing forum, and as a fellow multiboxer, publicly denounce you and challenge your self-proclaimed title of "most powerful multiboxer."

My proposal is as follows:

You must successfully progress through instanced raid content with a team comprised entirely of characters controlled by you -- This includes, but is not limited to, 25-man LFR or any number of your choosing in Flex-Raid.

Any combination of the following raid instances will be accepted:

Mogu'shan Vaults (hereafter referred to as MSV)
Terrace of Endless Spring (hereafter referred to as ToES)
Heart of Fear (hereafter referred to as HoF)
Throne of Thunder (hereafter referred to as ToT)
Siege of Orgrimmar (hereafter referred to as SoO)

The amount of progression will be left up to you, but in the end, you will be judged by your fellow peers -- The members of this forum. I am leaving the amount of progression up to you because I think it would be unreasonable to believe any multboxer would be able to fully clear any tier of raid content at this stage in the game.

If you accept and succeed, then you will be given the forum title of Most Powerful Multiboxer which you will wear below your name at all times. This title shall stand until one, or more, of the following occur:

A) You are dethroned by another multiboxer who will have been judged by the same members of this forum and will have been found to have achieved an accomplishment of higher caliber.

B) The next expansion is released which would then deem your accomplishments "old news."

C) You are banned and removed from this forum.

If you accept and fail, then you will receive the following for the remainder of the Mists of Pandaria expansion:

A) Your forum title will be changed to Terrible Multiboxer which you will bear until you can redeem yourself with a worthy accomplishment.

B) Your signature on this forum that appears below each of your posts will tell the story of a man who believed he had achieved greatness, but was then stripped of it all when his arrogance and conceit got the best of him.

C) Threads or posts that you create which are filled with an exuberant amount of ridiculous claims will immediately be locked or deleted without question.

You have until 9AM EDT on October 25th, 2013 (seven (7) days from now) to decide. If you choose to accept within these seven (7) days, you will be given thirty (30) more days, in addition to the remaining days, to present your instanced raid progression to the members of this forum. During those thirty (30) days you are allowed to continue forward with your normal unrestricted gameplay and any upgrades you receive in that time period can be equipped and used during any raid progression if you so desire.

If you choose not to accept my proposal, then you will continue to be ridiculed on this forum in one way or another, multiboxers of the free world will continue to find it difficult to take you seriously, and your self-proclaimed achievements will fade away as if they had never happened.


Do you think you have what it takes? This forum awaits your decision, Deathwalker.

[Acidburning]

awesome.

[CDNProdigy]

A) You are dethroned by another multiboxer who will have been judged by the same members of this forum and will have been found to have achieved an accomplishment of higher caliber.

What an interesting challenge! This is a great idea to get everyone trying to out do each other to really try and push the limits of multiboxing in raids! To be honest, these forums have been lacking that lately. We might need MiRai or someone to do a video on how to record one's multiboxing efforts just in case there are people who have no idea on how to create videos. (Pointing at himself)

[Sam DeathWalker]

I am up for any fair challenge but I don’t really see how you are able to compare a 5 boxer to a 25 boxer or even a 25 boxer to a 40 boxer. How do you compare a 5 boxer to a 10 boxer?

I’m like in the heavyweight boxing division and I claim I can beat anyone in any division, thus I am the most powerful, you are claiming to be like ‘pound for pound” the best due to superior skill at a lighter weight. Both claims can be true. Character for Character the Warlock did better than I did, yet there is no question I am more powerful overall.

For someone who boxes fewer than 25 in a 25 man raid the raid itself changes, I get no credit for the substantial skill I put in before the battle.

Just as a 5 boxer who is forced to do 1 man content will be beat by a 1 boxer because the 1 boxer didn’t have to level up 5 characters.

No reasonable person will say that the 5 boxer warlock team is more powerful than my 28 man team, if we were to meet in pvp I would slaughter him. Just like no reasonable person would say that a single character with higher ilevel then the warlocks is more powerful or better than the 5 warlocks because the one character was able to do something the 5 were not.

Wasn’t there some kind of guild vs. guild pvp? Did that get implemented? What is that training thing about is that viable?

If the 5 boxer or 10 boxer or 15 boxer has to enter a 25 man raid, with 25 then drop all the characters that he does not control so that the raid is the same I have to face then sure, I will compare against anyone that has to go against the exact same opponent or conditions that I have to.

Basically you want me to throw out 23 of my guys and run 5 of my weaker against your 5 stronger, or course you will win, just as if you have to go up against swifty one v one you will lose.

You don’t require someone like the warlocks to take off his ilevel 540 gear to compare with others in 490 ilevel gear to make it “fair”. And you don’t’ require a level 90 to delevel to level 85 before he can claim to be more powerful than the level 85.

When I was being camped by a 5 boxer 5 or so levels higher than me and he wiped me out I didn’t see anyone complain that it wasn’t “fair”, and I didn’t claim it was unfair either (it’s a pvp server) knowing that someday the tables would turn. Now that I destroy a 5 boxer suddenly I am “unreasonable” and “unfair”.

I would think the next target is Oon or the celestials, but if you can come up with something else that is fair I am up for it.

We picked a mob that all can attack (I picked Galleon but you guys came up with Nalak) and I say ok throw whatever you have against it and kill it, and of those who were able to do it the one who did it the fastest is the best, and somehow you say I am unreasonable?

Also Mirai you might want to look up some of the old posts in this forum and review the very first few posts by Lax. There were many who objected to Lax posting on this forum, yet one voice spoke up in his defense when others would not, and that one lone voice was me.

Also my support for IsBoxer is unwavering, I doubt I would be able to do what I do without Isboxer, and much credit for my great accomplishments should go to Lax and IsBoxer.

Anyway think about how to compare a 5 boxer to a 10 boxer and be fair to both, recognizing the 5 boxer will have higher ilevels but the 10 boxer has twice as many accounts. And you can’t force the 10 boxer to fight 5 man content, just like you can’t force the 5 boxer to fight 1 man content.

I am sure we all agree that some kind of ladder or competition to compare all would be fun and enjoyable.

Basically I am accepting your challenge but with the condition that I compare against others, not some unknown yardstick and they must be in a 25 man normal raid, as I will be in.

[Kicksome]

I'd like to see some of the top pvpers who claim they multibox do it without a complex program.. oh and without a pocket healer of course!

After playing and/or watching someone like Kruschpakx, Kenchen, Shodokan or anyone who had a gladiator title via multiboxing or close to it... They are better than 99% of the Arena players out there on one player with no addons or on 4 with advanced software - IMHO. It's nuts how good these guys are, even on 1 guy. i.e. They are already great arena players.

[Sam DeathWalker]

And one reason I am not afraid of the 40 boxer is that if he ever does get his gear ligit (assuming that he win traded to get it now) is that he doesn't use IsBoxer and I do. There is little doubt in my mind that Lax's software will give me a tremendous edge over him so much so that I don't need more accounts to beat him. And I have better classes.

[zenga]

My skill is in leveling up 28 characters to 510ish ilevel. Thus I need less skill during the encounter,

I have the most complex macros of anyone

And the worst. Your logs are absolutely horrible, in every possible aspect. You do damage that players did in cataclysm. It doesn't matter at all if you play 1,5 or 300 times the same class, your keybind gets auto broadcasted and you auto spam abilities. If you have the hardware and infrastructure, then if 2 toons can do 100 dps, then adding 8 more with the same gear will do 100 dps as well, and not 30 dps.

You can claim that my macros are not the best but I show my logs, and no one else does.

So because you show logs and no one else bothers to do so, you automatically assume that your macro's are the best?

If you think a 3 step macro is superior to a 90 step macro then keep on believing that.

DPS specs have a priority order for optimal performance, developed and tested by the smartest fucks in WoW. Claiming other wise is like saying the moon doesn't exist.

And let’s not forget it’s 6 times harder to write macros for six classes then it is for one class.

It's not harder, it just takes more time.

because of my extremely high skill preparation prior to the encounter.

you might have put effort into it, but I wouldn't quantify that as skill, since the result is plain horrible (i.e. dps performance)

choosing the right classes years ago

that's an absolutely ridiculous statement. there are plenty of classes/specs who can perform on par if not better with your mages

Does it take more skill to level up 5 characters to ilevel 540 or 28 characters to ilevel 510?

time devoted does not equal skill in my book, to get 540 ilvl you have to do harder content than you have to do for ilvl 510

You do realize that every time you press a single key that sends a command to two accounts at the same time from that single key press, in an mmo, you are relying upon MY ingenuity given that I am the person who invented the concept in the first place ……

So you invented multiboxing? -_-

Due to the fact it’s been a long time now with no links I can only assume that the first two of Hayaz list do not actually exist.

So because people haven't recorded anything or recorded logs, you just assume they are talking out of their asses? Well not everyone feels the need to get confirmation from the community and need to see proof to be credible.

No reasonable person will say that the 5 boxer warlock team is more powerful than my 28 man team, if we were to meet in pvp I would slaughter him.

I consider myself to be a reasonable person. Yet I'm not too sure about that. Five warlocks played by a skilled player have the tools to obliterate any group that is stacked. Definitely when it's you, who to my humble opinion does not have a clue (and that's based on all your - again to my humble opinion - absolutely ridiculous claims and statements).

I am sure we all agree that some kind of ladder or competition to compare all would be fun and enjoyable.

I think that the first and foremost reason why Mirai made that sarcastic challenge, was to make you shut up.