GC and holinka about multiboxing

[zenga]

Was an interview with ghostcrawler, holinka, hotted and swifty, and multiboxers came up. You can watch the vod here, and it starts at minute 52 and a couple of seconds.

[MiRai]

Haha. I like Holinka's reply to Swifty.

[Kruschpakx4]

lol in other words multiboxing is cool as long as you suck at it, but once you start pwning (aka ruining other people's experience) then its not fine

[MadMilitia]

lol in other words multiboxing is cool as long as you suck at it, but once you start pwning (aka ruining other people's experience) then its not fine

That's what I get from it as well.

[zenga]

lol in other words multiboxing is cool as long as you suck at it, but once you start pwning (aka ruining other people's experience) then its not fine

That's taking what he says out of the context imo (remember they re-enabled /follow in arena, which pretty much is a gesture towards multiboxing). I think more what he means is that if there is ever to occur a situation where the multiboxer has a guaranteed outcome, due to spell design, where 5 normal players stand no chance whatsoever, then it's no longer fine. Image for the sake of the example a patch change, something like 4x instant elemental blasts with 100% crit chance, and with 2 charges. A multiboxer could instantly kill 2 people in arena, no matter how good/bad they are.

Or in other words the moment where multiboxers become not counter-able whatsoever. That situation hasn't occurred yet, multiboxers stand a chance in 5v5 (you prove it) but it can be countered. Their policty and acting proves that (we have been multiboxing wow for what, 6 years? + they added follow back to arena).

I honestly don't understand the people saying that after what GC says they are glad they left WoW, what he says is a lot of common sense imo.

[Blubber]

I honestly don't understand the people saying that after what GC says they are glad they left WoW, what he says is a lot of common sense imo.

Agreed, however, what bothers me about the whole thing is, why don't they just come out and say it like it is. If only they posted on the forums or their blog that MB is ok, but not in the BGs and that's why we removed /follow, that would be perfectly fine with me.

It reminds me of the damn vanish bug that was introduced in patch 1.4 (!), they refused to acknowledge that it was a bug until way into BC, when they finally fixed it.

As far as openness they could learn a lesson from ccp I guess.

Having said that, wow is still a great game to box .

[zenga]

Agreed, however, what bothers me about the whole thing is, why don't they just come out and say it like it is. If only they posted on the forums or their blog that MB is ok, but not in the BGs and that's why we removed /follow, that would be perfectly fine with me.

They have said on several occasions that they are ok with multiboxing, though don't support it.
They have explained why they removed /follow from bg's, that multiboxing was collateral damage but that they are fine with that given how controversial it is in bg's.
They have re-enabled /follow in arenas, as a gesture towards the multiboxing community.
Pretty much everyone who got banned when they started using the new server side pattern detection software to weed out bots, got his accounts back shortly after.

I honestly don't see what else you would expect them to say, definitely not after this interview: 'we are fine with multiboxing, but if it starts getting out of hand we might have to take actions'.

Sometimes I have the feeling that the common sense that once reigned on this board when it comes down to blizzard and mb, is replaced by a lot of people jumping on the popular bash blizzard band wagon, regardless from reality.

[EaTCarbS]

That's taking what he says out of the context imo (remember they re-enabled /follow in arena, which pretty much is a gesture towards multiboxing). I think more what he means is that if there is ever to occur a situation where the multiboxer has a guaranteed outcome, due to spell design, where 5 normal players stand no chance whatsoever, then it's no longer fine. Image for the sake of the example a patch change, something like 4x instant elemental blasts with 100% crit chance, and with 2 charges. A multiboxer could instantly kill 2 people in arena, no matter how good/bad they are.

Or in other words the moment where multiboxers become not counter-able whatsoever. That situation hasn't occurred yet, multiboxers stand a chance in 5v5 (you prove it) but it can be countered. Their policty and acting proves that (we have been multiboxing wow for what, 6 years? + they added follow back to arena).

I honestly don't understand the people saying that after what GC says they are glad they left WoW, what he says is a lot of common sense imo.

The scenario you present is not an issue of multiboxing, but rather an issue of game design. (that could be exploited by anyone, multiboxing or no.) The whole point is that anything that multiboxers can do to "ruin" the game experience for other players is done on a daily basis by regular players queuing up in groups. Just look at the BG forums - people complain about getting stomped in bgs by groups constantly. That is why I scoff at Ghostcrawler's comments on multiboxing - they are incredibly short-sighted.

[djensen2010]

I could make your life miserable with 4 friends and me on one toon, whats the difference?

[EaTCarbS]

I could make your life miserable with 4 friends and me on one toon, whats the difference?

Because they see it as something different, so it is easier for them to pass blame. Blizzard allows people to queue for bgs in groups of 5, and Ghostcrawler doesn't think this has the same effect in a bg as a multiboxer? He is a bumbling fool. That, or he is just trying to appease the common denominator.