Auto Follow being removed.?

[Binafus]

I'm a bit confused as to why people are upset. I've been boxing for a year+ and honestly I've done BGs in both WoW and Rift. BGs were never really a fair environment for Multiboxers and Boxers always knew they drifted on a slim line with it. The company stance could change on a minutes notice and it has.

Multiboxers make up a slim amount of their customer base. So I don't really think they're going to listen to people's demands. And all this talk of "Oh lets go boycott this by killing/camping other players until our demands are heard" is quite childish. You should be thankful that they allow multiboxing in their game. They could have just came out and given the community the middle finger and said "Ban for anyone who multiboxs" and you can't do jack because it's their policy. So why add fuel to the fire?

You have a very valid point, please consider this.

I do not feel a company is doing me a favor to take my money tell me I can box, then when people come complain which are very rude breaking the forum rules with every post the devs leave their posts because they agree with removing limiting boxing.

Now their official policy is you can box in Warfronts but with no Follow command, how is that a policy?

I will also add I had two forum accounts dating back to beta with Rift, I post very little in forums, I have been a member in these forms since 2008 and today was my first post.

I logged into one account and said something in favor of boxing, later I logged in with the other account and said something, neither post was against the TOS and I was not trying to act like two different people.

My logins are very similar and I log both accounts on every day playing, I did not even think about it really.

They ban both my accounts for having multiple accounts and remove my posts.

So I have 5 accounts I box on log on the first one, explain what happened it gets banned and post removed.

Log on the next one ask why they keep baning boom ban, log on the third box account send a private message boom it gets a ban, log on the fourth and fifth with the same results both ban.

So I create another account make one post are you going to keep baning me, boom ban.

I create another account and post in the forums I keep getting baned because I have alt accounts and I'm a boxer of course I have more than one account Trion does not want to hear a view point in favor of boxing watch how fast this account gets banned.

53 posts later the account is still open.

You are a bigger man than me if you can look at a company like this and say they are doing me a favor, I spent 300 + dollars in the last three weeks with Trion and will not spend another penny.

I came here to warn boxers that with a few bad posts from immature people they could change their mind tomorrow and you too could lose your time and money invested in Rift.

I mainly PvP in every game I play, Rift was a welcoming place to that a couple weeks ago. When I asked if there was any plans to remove boxing in WF's a month ago nothing but welcoming.

[Chalked]

I'm not here to tell you not to box. I'm going to make a comparison though.

I could go out tomorrow and buy a super car. (It'd be stupid but, let's say I did.) Ok so now I have this car that can easily do 200 MPH on the highway.

The state I'm in determines what speed I can go at, normally 55 mph oh the highway. Now they're not saying that I cannot use the car on the road (multibox in the game), they're just saying I cannot go 200 Mph and make other drivers uncomfortable.

Multiboxing creates a very unfriendly environment for the "victims". I was one of them. If one guy came up to me and killed me instantly I'd be a little upset. If he was in my BG I'd be more upset because of the fact, he's making the game not fun for me. I've boxed plenty of BGs and people have always come back and told me that I'm an ass because I'm cheating or whatnot. Sure I may not be cheating but I'm certainly ruining someone's night.

I can understand the desire to multibox pvp. Hell I started boxing because of it. It's very fun to have that much power, however I just started feeling bad for the other folks on the receiving end of my five lava bursts. So Trion is now facing what Blizzard faced. "Hey there's this guy creating and unfun environment for our other customers." Kind of like a family with kids coming into a nice steak restaurant and the kids keep talking. The restaurant will take your order and even take your money, but if they see that your kids are upsetting others, they'll ask you to leave. Because one table of lost business is better than a whole restaurant pissed off.

As I said before multiboxing walks a thin line. It's not really cheating, but it does really take the fun out of the game for others. So from a business standpoint I can understand.

Also I did a quite glance at their ToS

"In the event you cancel your subscription service, Trion will not refund any fees already paid or owed by you.D. Virtual Currency and/or Virtual Goods
Purchases of Virtual Currency and/or Virtual Goods are non-refundable, unless otherwise required by law."

So um that refund request is going to be trivial as you signed their ToS when you logged on or made the account, correct?

[Binafus]

I'm not here to tell you not to box. I'm going to make a comparison though.

I could go out tomorrow and buy a super car. (It'd be stupid but, let's say I did.) Ok so now I have this car that can easily do 200 MPH on the highway.

The state I'm in determines what speed I can go at, normally 55 mph oh the highway. Now they're not saying that I cannot use the car on the road (multibox in the game), they're just saying I cannot go 200 Mph and make other drivers uncomfortable.

Multiboxing creates a very unfriendly environment for the "victims". I was one of them. If one guy came up to me and killed me instantly I'd be a little upset. If he was in my BG I'd be more upset because of the fact, he's making the game not fun for me. I've boxed plenty of BGs and people have always come back and told me that I'm an ass because I'm cheating or whatnot. Sure I may not be cheating but I'm certainly ruining someone's night.

I can understand the desire to multibox pvp. Hell I started boxing because of it. It's very fun to have that much power, however I just started feeling bad for the other folks on the receiving end of my five lava bursts. So Trion is now facing what Blizzard faced. "Hey there's this guy creating and unfun environment for our other customers." Kind of like a family with kids coming into a nice steak restaurant and the kids keep talking. The restaurant will take your order and even take your money, but if they see that your kids are upsetting others, they'll ask you to leave. Because one table of lost business is better than a whole restaurant pissed off.

As I said before multiboxing walks a thin line. It's not really cheating, but it does really take the fun out of the game for others. So from a business standpoint I can understand.

Also I did a quite glance at their ToS

"In the event you cancel your subscription service, Trion will not refund any fees already paid or owed by you.D. Virtual Currency and/or Virtual Goods
Purchases of Virtual Currency and/or Virtual Goods are non-refundable, unless otherwise required by law."

So um that refund request is going to be trivial as you signed their ToS when you logged on or made the account, correct?

Chalked I think you are missing all my points, if I wanted money back I would do a charge back on my CC.

I'm not talking about cars or speed limits this really has nothing to do with what I was talking about or eating at a restaurant which is what I do for a living is own a restaurant, If I asked you to leave you would leave with your money in your pocket, not a chance I would keep your money and tell you to leave. This is how I think a business should be ran and successful ones are that way.

If all you got out of my post is I want to kill people in Warfronts and I'm mad and quit because I can't I did not do a good job explaining.

Just really short I feel they have been very dishonest with me, I feel like adding a follow off and on command to test then two days later planing saying it was not a test it is their intention to keep it, baning people that do not share their view while letting people insult and break the TOS if you share their view. I never even said I wanted my money back just told people if you are going to spend money consider my post. Most of all I do not feel a company is doing me a favor to pay to play their game and not break their TOS, it is still not against the rules to Box in Warfronts. So Trion says I can box today in Warfronts so can you how silly is this?

If you want to use the car example it would be like saying hey buy this super car it goes 200 mph and since you are buying a super car there are no speed limits for you, then two days later give you a ticket for putting gas in it, we changed the law on super cars you can not put gas in them but they are still legal and you can drive them as fast as you want.

I most certainly did not come here to argue with you just wanted to warn people.

[Smedbox]

I think it's perfectly fine to complain about multiboxers in low-level warfronts. Let's face it. We're all veteran high-class PvP:ers of the higher caliber. The other team consists of noobs who just started playing Rift in the last few hours and have no idea what's up or what's down. Their gear is what their mother gave them when they headed out. It's going to be very one-sided.

However, at level 60 things change dramatically. The noobs are now in such minority that their existence doesn't matter to the matches. Multiboxers are meeting fully geared premades and not random PUGs. Gigantic difference.

We should all push Trion to:

1. Re-enable /follow in all cases.
2a. Require premades to fight against premades only, never against PUGs for level 1-59 warfronts.
Or:
2b. Disable /follow for level 1-59 in warfronts. (Keeping it enabled for all level 60 activities.)

Because the poor noobs just have no defense against a veteran mutliboxer in the lower-bracket. It's like fishing in a barrel, with dynamite. A little ridiculous. We shouldn't be doing this, starting August 18.

I say, from August 18, we go on strike. We Demonstrate.

1. Refrain from any non-level-60 warfronts at all, whatever happens.
2. Walk your team straight into the middle of a 60 warfront. Then AFK:ing. Respawn when necessary and continue the passive demonstration. Maybe we should get some banners and such, and music... Doing this for a week should get most people to hear our message:
"It would be so much easier to actually try to fight if we could only _move_... Trion disabled /follow making it impossible for multiboxers to play Warfronts and Conquest properly".
3. FIght back and heal as much as you can to try to stay alive as long as possible.

[Chalked]

I understand why people are upset and I'm not really trying to argue with people.

I just don't see the point in trying to protest in an online game. If you have a problem with it take it to the forums or call their support. If they get more support calls about it chances they'd do more. I wouldn't suggest going into warfronts and being AFK. That's just being an ass and creates a bad image for multiboxers. It's much like a child who doesn't get his way so everyone has to suffer.

Why is PvPing in warfronts the only avenue that you must play? Why not world pvp? They aren't taking PVP out of the game for multiboxers, just warfronts because they feel it's unfair and in many degrees it is. I mean I've been boxing for a while. I know I can go around and press one button and the target will die. There isn't any hiding this.

I'm not directing my post to you Binafus, well not only you. But to all the boxers in this thread. It's just whenever these sort of things happen most boxers act like their whole existence in a game has been destroyed because they cannot multibox in BGs.

[Binafus]

Chalked I came back to Rift played my level 50 war to level 60 all WF's no quests accept some crafter ones to get Marks.

I paid to have all the crafting professions on my one war including mining, harvesting, gathering, so I could make everything for my box accounts. I do their armor, runes, pots, weapons, rings etc.

I started a new character a healer it is now 51 all in WF's it has not done ten in game quests.

On my box account I did five mages spent all the time to make all their items all the way to 29 so far, did the same thing for my clerics they are 38 now. I have actually done more PVE on my box accounts than I ever have in the game, just because the que times are long, mainly rifts. Most of the time I mess around on the internet while waiting for ques.

So taking away WF's from me is my game, I'm not protesting, sent a GM ticket in explained why I was quiting, made a post in the forums and I'm done.

I was not trying to start any time of movement here was just warning people what had happened to me and they should take it in consideration before spending money with this company.

They handled this very badly, again their stance now is Boxing is ok anywhere in the world of Rift even in WF's but you can not use follow in order to decrease the negative effect boxing has on the game. I feel they lied when they said there were just testing when the added the ability to remove follow on the fly.

Chalked if you enjoy Rift and spend money with them I have no problem at all, I'm just not gonna do it there were solutions besides what they did.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Unfortunately certain play styles combined with specific activities (such as Warfronts), results in a sub-optimal experience for other users. When a single user has the potential - and be clear it is only ever potential - to cause another user to exit the game that simply isn't good for anyone. It isn't good for the multi-boxer, it isn't good for the person being killed by the multi-boxer, and it isn't good for the business.

Interesting. If they're going to justify that change based on the "potential to cause another user to exit the game" then they need to bring down the wrath of god on the botters, griefers, harassers, trade-spammers, and a whole host of other people. Very slippery slope, that.

Disappointing, but I can't say I'm surprised.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Being max level in lower-level PVP zones creates a very unfriendly environment for the "victims". I was one of them. If one guy came up to me and killed me instantly I'd be a little upset. If he was in my leveling zone I'd be more upset because of the fact, he's making the game not fun for me. I've farmed plenty of lowbies and people have always come back and told me that I'm an ass because I'm cheating or whatnot. Sure I may not be cheating but I'm certainly ruining someone's night.

I can understand the desire to gank in pvp zones. Hell I started ganking because of it. It's very fun to have that much power, however I just started feeling bad for the other folks on the receiving end of my max-level gear and spells. So Trion is now facing what Blizzard faced. "Hey there's this guy creating and unfun environment for our other customers." Kind of like a family with kids coming into a nice steak restaurant and the kids keep talking. The restaurant will take your order and even take your money, but if they see that your kids are upsetting others, they'll ask you to leave. Because one table of lost business is better than a whole restaurant pissed off.

Modified to point out the logical inconsistencies therein.

[Smedbox]

Why is PvPing in warfronts the only avenue that you must play? Why not world pvp? They aren't taking PVP out of the game for multiboxers, just warfronts because they feel it's unfair and in many degrees it is. I mean I've been boxing for a while. I know I can go around and press one button and the target will die. There isn't any hiding this.

I'm not directing my post to you Binafus, well not only you. But to all the boxers in this thread. It's just whenever these sort of things happen most boxers act like their whole existence in a game has been destroyed because they cannot multibox in BGs.

There are a few problems with this line of thought:

1. You need PvP gear to be effective in open world PvP. You need to play warfronts and Conquest to get that gear.

2. Conquest is not just for PvP purposes. It gives you benefits in PvE as well, for example Best-In-Slot PvE gear, movement speed bonuses and PvE stat increases. This move doesn't just hurt PvP, it hurts our PvE progression too.

[Binafus]

Any decent premade would beat a boxer and they allow premades is also another flaw in this logic.

I would have thought the easy way to fix all of this and also would have created a situation where they could get more boxers would have been to do something like turn off /follow in all warfronts under 40.

If you are 40+ can not deal with a Boxer in PvP you suck so bad you really have no room to bitch about anyone owning you.

But again they were not looking for a way to keep boxers they were looking for a way to remove them without going back on their words boxers were allowed, so they turn off follow and say boxing is still allowed in Warfronts, a very dishonest way of trying to fix a problem.