How is WoW nowadays?

[Kruschpakx4]

It started out as a rare thing and now its becoming increasingly more common.

really? I've got the feeling that our numbers dropped massively since cataclysm and tbh I dont see where multiboxers are a "problem" nowdays, we could be considered as a problem in bc and cata when multiboxers made it in the top 0,5% of an arena bracket but nowdays wer're just doing little more than nonrated bgs and arena/rbg sub 2k rating and I dont believe that our numbers are increasing since mop.

I dont think that it was really in their intention to "nerf" us in battlegrounds by removing follow but if they think that it helps in the war against bots then well ... they've always said multiboxing is not beeing supported and now they activated follow in arenas again that means they're somehow supporting us as long as bots dont benefit from it

[ebony]

really? I've got the feeling that our numbers dropped massively since cataclysm and tbh I dont see where multiboxers are a "problem" nowdays, we could be considered as a problem in bc and cata when multiboxers made it in the top 0,5% of an arena bracket but nowdays wer're just doing little more than nonrated bgs and arena/rbg sub 2k rating and I dont believe that our numbers are increasing since mop.

I dont think that it was really in their intention to "nerf" us in battlegrounds by removing follow but if they think that it helps in the war against bots then well ... they've always said multiboxing is not beeing supported and now they activated follow in arenas again that means they're somehow supporting us as long as bots dont benefit from it

this is all true but in random game play on the big boxers 10+ it was unstoppable in random play. so ya they not done it to "nerf" or have plans to stop in anywhere else in the game you find they are happy without us in random play bg's and my ban was for "unfair play in random game play"

maybe if the new RBG works when you can que in groups of 5 comes in it might make boxing more fun for the ones that liked pvp. and they bring follow back for rbg's

[rfarris]

Put you're missing the point. They didn't get rid of /follow because of the multiboxers. They got rid of /follow because of the bots. The quotes mentioned above happened in response to the boxers complaining about losing /follow.

[ebony]

Put you're missing the point. They didn't get rid of /follow because of the multiboxers. They got rid of /follow because of the bots. The quotes mentioned above happened in response to the boxers complaining about losing /follow.

ya and that's why they added follow back into arena.

Saying that If you find a way round follow in bg's using ITW/Ctm or just ctm. Then you get temp/full banned, so it is aimed at us now..

[rfarris]

Saying that If you find a way round follow in bg's using ITW/Ctm or just ctm. Then you get temp/full banned...

You gotta source for that claim? Because that's exactly how boxers are doing BGs now. Who has been banned?

[ebony]

You gotta source for that claim? Because that's exactly how boxers are doing BGs now. Who has been banned?

me...........

full ban at email level sc2/d3 7 wow accounts can not log in even to battle.net can not do anything was a few days after my video i made
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or though i have started wiring to blizzard eu as email was getting me nowhere just we stick by the ban.

some of the cs's i talked to says its coming back but they need to make smaller (10+ was to many for bg's) some say its not but they all say i should not be banned for what i was doing. so my accounts are temp banned as there still working out what to do


to be fair last time i just said "keep it stops me spending anymore silly money on your silly game i have a life now."


and yet there is players out there still using ofollow!

[Pycno]

The thing is Activision-Blizzards hands are much more tied than players realize, they actually cant do what they want. For instance they can not stop boting and cheating, even if they attempt to. As long as the players want to buy gold there is nothing the developers can do without losing revenue. Massive bans on everyone who buy gold would solve the problem for good, but the developers would lose their jobs so they can not do this.

As for multiboxing, its never been (officially) supported and is not a core game feature, it can easily be removed by taking away some core functions of the game. For example, imagine minimizing the game would instantly log you out in order to prevent AFK and alt-tabbers in battlegrounds. Multiboxing would then only be possible with one computer and monitor each toon. Ouch.
And next step, follow gives you debuff that instantly kills you if you receive damage, and decreases your damage dealt by 90%.

Its easy for them to break multiboxing, and they just did it with multiboxing in Battlegrounds. It never happend before so it was not a likely scenario, now it can happen at anytime. Buy a new $10k computer and accounts, level them up and wake up the next day only to discover Innerspace and ISBoxer got your accounts banned.


Now that people have stopped complaining about multiboxers in battlegrounds, expect complaints about them in Arena, World PvP and dungeons. Players may find it unfair that some can "solo" content they need to collect a group to do, and that this is an unfair advantage that saves multiboxers the time and trouble of dealing with random groups.

The mentality many players have is that if they worked hard for something, then everyone else should have to work at least just as hard to achieve the same thing.

And also, most players realize that multiboxing is in no way overpowered, they just find it annoying and frustrating. Annoying to lose because your teams multiboxers is not carrying his own weight and frustrating to get one-shotted even if their 2-3 friends mop the floor with the multiboxer afterwards.
This is why multiboxers currently are not welcome in battlegrounds.
Imagine you are playing paintball, everyone has a standard cheap paintball gun and you have a fully automatic 10,000 dollar super sniper machine gun - its unsocial and the players might find it in everyones best interest to say "hey, you are welcome to play with us but please leave that supergun at home so we can all have fun".

I was considering returning to WoW and now I probably never will, unless Activision-Blizzard apologizes and somehow can assure multiboxers that they will not be shafted again later on.

Im surprised at how much I care about this, I guess really wanted to play Cataclysm and MoP this winter, anyway Im glad I quit when I did. There are many fun games out there and games arent really that much fun anyway.

[MiRai]

As for multiboxing, its never been (officially) supported and is not a core game feature, it can easily be removed by taking away some core functions of the game. For example, imagine minimizing the game would instantly log you out in order to prevent AFK and alt-tabbers in battlegrounds. Multiboxing would then only be possible with one computer and monitor each toon. Ouch.

The game does not accept any input when it's minimized to the task bar and nobody has ever multiboxed like that.

Its easy for them to break multiboxing, and they just did it with multiboxing in Battlegrounds. It never happend before so it was not a likely scenario, now it can happen at anytime. Buy a new $10k computer and accounts, level them up and wake up the next day only to discover Innerspace and ISBoxer got your accounts banned.

Nobody got their accounts banned unless they were circumventing something that was purposefully removed from the game. If multiboxing was to be completely disallowed at one point in time, I'm sure Blizzard would let everyone know ahead of time because they're well aware how many people enjoy everyday multiboxing outside of griefing other players.

And also, most players realize that multiboxing is in no way overpowered, they just find it annoying and frustrating. Annoying to lose because your teams multiboxers is not carrying his own weight and frustrating to get one-shotted even if their 2-3 friends mop the floor with the multiboxer afterwards.
This is why multiboxers currently are not welcome in battlegrounds.
Imagine you are playing paintball, everyone has a standard cheap paintball gun and you have a fully automatic 10,000 dollar super sniper machine gun - its unsocial and the players might find it in everyones best interest to say "hey, you are welcome to play with us but please leave that supergun at home so we can all have fun".

You, yourself, said that you've been gone since the beginning of Cataclysm and I think you're underestimating how effective multiboxing in PvP is these days. You left during an era when multiboxing in battlegrounds reigned supreme, but since then, it's effectiveness has been cut in half thanks to resilience, bloated stats, ridiculous CC, and whatever other little changes Blizzard made.

That's why I found it amusing that you called multiboxers "hardcore". In one sense, they are hardcore for spending extra money on their computers and taking the time to set everything up so that they can do what they wan to do (which is, multibox); but in another sense it also means skill, which is the way that I think of hardcore when associated with gaming, and most multiboxers weren't very good beyond killing one person and then ending up being rendered useless while they're stuck in CC or being kited around while the rest of their team bitches about it. After WotLK, multiboxers had to stop using the mindless comma-based timing macros and had to start using their cooldowns and their class CC. This new level of 'difficulty' that had been introduced turned a lot of people off to the the playstyle and only the hardcore multiboxers stuck around and pushed through -- The ones that were either good from the beginning or the ones that wanted to try hard and improve upon their weaknesses.

Im surprised at how much I care about this, I guess really wanted to play Cataclysm and MoP this winter, anyway Im glad I quit when I did. There are many fun games out there and games arent really that much fun anyway.

You're obviously not alone and there was a huge mega-thread on the matter, but many people have moved to other games

[Pycno]

MiRai, I meant if the instances of wow are inactive or in the background, since only one window can be active at any time.

This action by Activision-Blizzard creates precedence. They did something that had never happened before, now its hard to tell if an option is off the table or not. They probably wont ban you but who knows what they could come up with tomorrow?

The hardcore label is deserved, and I mean as in taking the game seriously. I think most multiboxers should re-think what they are doing with their lives, if they are really not overdoing it and investing too much time and effort into a game. Not because multiboxing is sad, I think its really cool, but all things with moderation.

I feel for you though, its really cheap for them to support multiboxing for all these years and suddently overnight change their minds.

[Pycno]

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7788408896#1
Wrote my thoughts on the forum, it will probably get ignored :P