To celebrate /follow returning to WoW PVP Arenas, let's have a contest!

[Lax]

I am interested in sponsoring a multiboxing contest for WoW's 5v5 (and 3v3?) PVP arenas, and I want your input!

Goals might involve...

• first team to reach X rating
• first to get some Achievement
• highest rated teams at the end of the season
• best video and/or stream
• weekly pvp participation goal
• etc... do you have a better idea? we can have more than one goal, with different prizes.

Prizes might include...

• cash. probably hundreds of dollars.
• WoW GTC, like say, a free year of WoW for a team of 5
• PC hardware or accessories
• ... what other kind of prize do you think would be interesting?

I want your ideas on goals and prizes!

This is not an ISBoxer contest so I don't want to offer ISBoxer things, but I'm also not opposed to offering subscription time or ISBoxer swag either...


... would you enter the contest?

[Shodokan]

I am interested in sponsoring a multiboxing contest for WoW's 5v5 PVP arenas, and I want your input!

Goals might involve...

• first team to reach X rating
• first to get some Achievement
• highest rated teams at the end of the season
• best video and/or stream
• etc... do you have a better idea? we can have more than one goal, with different prizes.

Prizes might include...

• cash. probably hundreds of dollars.
• WoW GTC, like say, a free year of WoW for a team of 5
• PC hardware or accessories
• ... what other kind of prize do you think would be interesting?

I want your ideas on goals and prizes!

This is not an ISBoxer contest so I don't want to offer ISBoxer things, but I'm also not opposed to offering subscription time or ISBoxer swag either...


... would you enter the contest?

I'd be interested but i'd want some clarification first.

How many toons are we required to play? Because personally I planned on playing 3 but if it is required that we play more I'll try to think of a new composition.

I think that as far as prizes go the largest should go to the most successful at the highest rated player at the end of the season and base it on the ladder rankings (what they end at, not their highest achieved) to simulate a ladder like structure. After that I think that a first to reach X rating would be interesting as well. I think that stream/video is out of place though personally as that is judgmental on their video editing skills and not their PVP prowess.

Achievements have been able to be earned over time so I'm not sure they are a good thing to judge by.

Maybe a small prize for the highest rated for each class?

I like the idea a lot and think it might be a good way to get more people active in the pvp aspect of the game.

[Lax]

How many toons are we required to play? Because personally I planned on playing 3 but if it is required that we play more

I was originally thinking 5v5 but after giving that some thought, a team size of 5 alone makes participation impractical for a lot of people. I am definitely open to suggestions!

I think that stream/video is out of place though personally as that is judgmental on their video editing skills and not their PVP prowess.

I want to promote participation in multiboxing the PVP arenas, where clearly we are invited to do so, and videos and streams can be pretty good at doing that. I think this is a good alternative way for people to participate without necessarily thinking they can be the best PVPer, because most of us wouldn't bother trying. I want it to be more interesting... and I am open to ideas like this that promote participation without necessarily being "the best" or one of the few top people. The top PVP teams will get different rewards than people who participate in other ways.

[Shodokan]

I was originally thinking 5v5 but after giving that some thought, a team size of 5 alone makes participation impractical for a lot of people. I am definitely open to suggestions!


I want to promote participation in multiboxing the PVP arenas, where clearly we are invited to do so, and videos and streams can be pretty good at doing that. I think this is a good alternative way for people to participate without necessarily thinking they can be the best PVPer, because most of us wouldn't bother trying. I want it to be more interesting... and I am open to ideas like this that promote participation without necessarily being "the best" or one of the few top people. The top PVP teams will get different rewards than people who participate in other ways.

Well I agree keeping it to 5's is likely the best option. It is what most people do. In all honesty 3's is going to be absurdly hard for a majority of the people's class choices to succeed in and i'd stick to a medium by which people can compete a bit easier. Don't get me wrong 3's is awesome and I enjoyed it more than 5's. That being said there are people who box less than 5... so i think limit the competition to 5's but only require 3 toons played by one person?

Obviously I'm open to 3's being an option as well as it is where I had a majority of my own success I just think that the inefficiencies people will run into from what they currently play to what they NEED to play for viability/participation and needing to re-roll etc will deter people from trying to really push.

I think that its a good idea to promote people not being the "best" so the video thing could be good. I think that maybe you should do a top for US, top for EU, and top overall maybe? Or a straight top 10 at the end of the season sort of deal?

Maybe make leagues or something with 5-10 people who compete against eachother's ratings only? So that way you're not competing against everyone just have to be better than those in the pool of people? It may also help people strive to actually work harder because it is one thing to compete against a whole ladder and see top contenders above 2k and you're around 1600 and give up where as you may have those top level people in your "pool/league" but could have a bunch of people around where you are at as well. Possibly do small prizes at the end of each month for overall ladder participation and give out pool/league prizes at the same time and make them mutually exclusive so that if you get a prize for say "top 3" of the month you are ineligible for prize from pool/league play.so that it encourages participation in pools even with people on the higher end of the rating spectrum.

Just some ideas.

[Owltoid]

For 3s, I think the multiboxer should be required to play all the toons.
For 5s, you could have two brackets, one where a multiboxer must control 4 toons and one where they must control all 5. I plan on playing both buckets, and would be fine if it was one bucket for either 4 or 5 toons controlled, but I don't think you want to limit it to teams who control all 5 toons.

I'd be careful with RBGs as there are active boxers who clearly win trade. I suppose that could be the same for arena, which is why I support video/stream verification. Certainly not all the matches, but if someone is 2k then I'd like to at least seem them beat a couple 1700 teams on a stream or in a video. I believe streaming/videos build the community more than any other method, including this forum, and encouraging the behavior makes everything more interesting!

I disagree with prizes for individual classes, solo toons, or group compositions.

[Shodokan]

For 3s, I think the multiboxer should be required to play all the toons.
For 5s, you could have two brackets, one where a multiboxer must control 4 toons and one where they must control all 5. I plan on playing both buckets, and would be fine if it was one bucket for either 4 or 5 toons controlled, but I don't think you want to limit it to teams who control all 5 toons.

I'd be careful with RBGs as there are active boxers who clearly win trade. I suppose that could be the same for arena, which is why I support video/stream verification. Certainly not all the matches, but if someone is 2k then I'd like to at least seem them beat a couple 1700 teams on a stream or in a video. I believe streaming/videos build the community more than any other method, including this forum, and encouraging the behavior makes everything more interesting!

I disagree with prizes for individual classes, solo toons, or group compositions.

I disagree with requirement of all 3 toons being played at once in 3's, this is dual-boxing.com afterall. I played 2 and that was difficult enough to get positioning down on.

I think 5's should be any amount you want 3+ (where you make up more than 50% of the team), because thats the medium between dual-boxing and multiboxing and doesn't limit them to only playing 3s.
Multiple brackets is fine for 5 and less than 5 though personally i don't think it matters.

Requiring video proof isn't possible for everyone, not everyone's system can support streaming even with OBS or running fraps.

I agree that RBGs is a no-no.

[heyaz]

You interested in world pvp footage at all, streamed? You mentioned "best stream"....

[smalltanker]

I think this is great for an idea to bring the boxers back to the game. Any chance we could also line up a time where several of us in the US could have the potential of going up against each other? Please note this is not in anyway a chance to win trade but a chance for some boxers to actually go against another so as to avoid "griefing" non-boxers. I know back in Season 11 I kepted bumping into a fellow five boxer elemental shaman and it was like which of us will hit the suicide zone first enabling the other to start unloading on them, but the fun part was getting a win or two against a mirror comp and knowing you came out on top due to having a better setup, macro and broadcasting strategy for openings.

I have 5 shaman at 89 but not geared in anyway that is near competitive but I would be game to give it a try.

I also think some screen snaps at the end of each match would be nice for the score board to show if there is improvement in MMR, effectiveness (damage done, heals, if a toon normally gets all the kills on a team, etc...). I know I don't stream/youtube as I am a scrub. But am up for doing some voice chat to figure it out at some point.

[HPAVC]

It would be very cool to see teams and the records of them advance over time.

[heyaz]

It'd have to be a pretty hefty reward for going through the pain of 5v5 in this expansion.

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And that's 1300 MMR teams.