To celebrate /follow returning to WoW PVP Arenas, let's have a contest!

[MiRai]

It'd have to be a pretty hefty reward for going through the pain of 5v5 in this expansion.

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And that's 1300 MMR teams.

I LOL'd.

[Shodokan]

Looks like I'm the only one interested

Woot free money!

[Fat Tire]

I would be interested in 3v3.

I would have to see the qualifiers,rules and regulations first though.

[Lax]

I would have to see the qualifiers,rules and regulations first though.

That's why I'm asking for input I'm no expert at this.

I want to make sure that anyone interested is encouraged to join in the fun and has a chance at some rewards.

Teams will have to register for the contest, either by adding the team and verifying in The Commons (noting that it will need some updates), or something like it specifically for the contest. There will not be an entrance fee, but there might be some requirements like provide a photo of your multiboxing battlestation (impress everyone by demolishing your enemies with your piece of crap) and/or write a few sentences about the way you play... The site will check records on a regular basis and the progress of teams will be tracked and displayed publicly. We'll disqualify teams for win trading and other unscrupulous behavior; so for example if you look at team records and think someone is cheating, you'll be able to appeal to get them disqualified from the contest.

I think that we'll probably have two brackets, 3v3 and 5v5.

If someone only wants to play 3, then they should probably be in the 3's bracket. Having half of a 5v5 team being non-multiboxers defeats the purpose of the multiboxing pvp contest, and besides it drastically changes the balance to have actually 3+ real people instead of 1 real person driving the team. This was obvious enough to me when I did 5v5 and I would run into teams of 4 whatevers (usually shamans) plus a healer. While I would have to personally try to keep my team healed as I move around and DPS, and try to keep the healer out of harm's way myself, the 4+1 team had a much easier time healing their DPS and/or having the healer run away while they unloaded on me. And that's just 1 extra real person. So to me there is a huge difference between playing 3 in a 5v5 and rating well, and playing 5 in a 5v5 and rating well. I don't think it would be incredibly fair to compare those teams directly in our contest.



And another thing. The people who would be competing for the top spots might be less willing to do some of these "sharing" things, as they want to prevent others from achieving the same feats, but that's sort of the opposite of what this contest is about. A contest like this can help multiboxers show some professionalism instead of the flame wars that dominate the game forums. This is why I think it's important to reward people for sharing screenshots, videos, streams, and even posting strategy guides or discussions.


So, what if we do something like this...

Prize Pool #1 - Season winners

Actual cash prize value should scale based on the number of active participants in the bracket; for example if only 10 active teams exist in each of them, the structure below does not really make any sense at all. However, if it's actually attractive to enough people, the numbers can also go up... I'm suggesting tiered rewards for the top 10 teams to encourage participation and competition.

So here's some numbers that I think would be attractive but otherwise I'm pulling out of my ass and are not necessarily the final numbers...

5v5 - play all 5

• #1 Team wins $500
• #2 and #3 win $250
• #4 and #5 win $125
• #6 through #10 win $50

3v3 - play all 3

• #1 Team wins $300
• #2 and #3 win $150
• #4 and #5 win $75
• #6 through #10 win $30

I am curious whether more people would sign up for the 3v3 or the 5v5, and which might end up more competitive. When/if we do it again the next season we can of course make adjustments based on our experiences with the first season.

Prize Pool #2 - Evangelism

That is, videos, streams, forum posts, strategy guides and discussion, etc -- pretty much anything that will show more people the contest and something cool about multiboxing.

We want to have a way to comparatively rate and reward the best evangelists, maybe every month. It's easy to say something like "most viewed video(s)" or "most favorited stream" or community ratings or something but some people might already start with an inherent advantage (e.g. someone who is already otherwise popular), and because the ease and incentive to cheat those kinds of systems.. Maybe the Dual-Boxing.com staff should vote on winners for this pool...

I'm not really sure how large the prizes should be for this, but I imagine something like $100 for one and $50 for another two people each month, with winners selected by the DB staff. At least 2 of the 3 each time should be someone who hasn't won before.

Prize Pool #3 - Participation

Meet minimum weekly wins for entry in weekly participation drawing(s) for a 30-day GTC or something.



Now are we interested? Thoughts?

[Kruschpakx4]

Havent played since decemeber but hell yeah count me in

[boxblizzardd]

i feel this should be 5v5, test our classes and abilities to aim high as the biggest question seems to be.....group compositions.....class mixes whats the best 5v5.

Let's do this, i don't think anyone is attempting this because of the effort but if we have something to aim for then this is a step in the right direction....lets put theory...to practically test with hopefully a winning, rewarding result.

Everyone will be watching this....im up for the challenge and im carefully selecting a team for arena.

alex /AKA boxblizzard/ team funk from Gimp/ grim-batol/the maelstrom

[boxblizzardd]

It's interesting but reading through does make it feel like a job!

through maybe some of this can be compressed down into lets say, a review from the owner in a video format

[Owltoid]

I like it. 5v5 with controlling all 5 will be tough, but it is pure multiboxing. My team is currently hovering around 1200, with some room for improvement


One thing that would help is to have a better system for knowing who is streaming other than the sticky thread (maybe one exists and I'm not aware of it). I really don't have any concrete suggestions, but it would be cool to have active streams being redirected to the d-b.com somehow.

[Ualaa]

In the 5s bracket, 4-boxing with another player playing the 5th is very common for the higher performing teams.
Playing all five, is very different... and that will remove a lot of the more competitive teams.

The majority of the videos of 5s teams that were competitive in their season, has been 4-boxing with someone else playing the healer.

I'm not saying don't go with 'you must play all five in a 5s match' or 'all three in a 3s match'.
Just that that will greatly reduce the quality of the teams.

Then again, everyone can play their entire team.
Not everyone can get a fifth/third person who is very skilled in arena play...

[Shodokan]

In the 5s bracket, 4-boxing with another player playing the 5th is very common for the higher performing teams.
Playing all five, is very different... and that will remove a lot of the more competitive teams.

The majority of the videos of 5s teams that were competitive in their season, has been 4-boxing with someone else playing the healer.

I'm not saying don't go with 'you must play all five in a 5s match' or 'all three in a 3s match'.
Just that that will greatly reduce the quality of the teams.

Then again, everyone can play their entire team.
Not everyone can get a fifth/third person who is very skilled in arena play...

I really hope you change your mind Lax. Like Ualaa says a majority of the people who do this for the competitive nature do so to be competitive on the ladder and not just to participate against other boxers.

It doesn't help that a ton of people have canceled their subs and that a majority of people who might re-level for this sort of thing will be extremely far behind gear wise... but thats the nature of MMOs.

I want to say that although you are trying to invigorate competitiveness and a reason for people to PVP... so few people PVP'd to begin with since cata that I doubt a menial amount of money (not @ the higher amounts) will persuade them to push themselves. The community as a whole (including Tim's site) are just not active enough in this sort of means to have a prize pool and structure like that. Honestly you might be better off making the prize for top 3 and not limiting the required characters controlled to 5 but just more than 50% of the team in order to prove what multiboxing in arenas is capable of (confining yourself to all 3/5 really hurts your chances on the ladder and more so encourages grinding which a majority of the community does not have time for anyway). That being said if you do so it might be best to do one bracket with a combined prize pool to help motivate people more and garner higher participation. Not only that but a larger prize pool with a single goal will attract new boxers as well as possibly bring old ones back.

I won't be participating if I have to choose between ladder play and playing for money. So best of luck to everyone who decides to do so.