Follow In Battlegrounds Broken After 5.2

[Owltoid]

I love it - for all those that say PvP multiboxing is easy, there are remarkably few that are actually successful at it. I'd say 75% of the multiboxers I run into i random BGs are awful - must be the same peeps who think it's all about spamming one button. I rape them every chance I get.

[Vecter]

Let's stick to the thread discussion and not derail it with offtopic. I have temporarily removed the posts in question.

[Sam DeathWalker]

Well as far as getting gear goes I did Oonesta or whatever. First Run computers froze and 1/2 didnt get anything, 2nd run was 7 hours long with wipe after wipe lol. BUT at the end of the day I got FIVE ilevel 522 items (total out of 27 guys)! Woot! Ilevel 522! They are pve but gem with PvP gems and they are pvp gear lol ....

So I really dont see any reason at all to need AV to gear up.

[MiRai]

It's always hard to judge posts like this because of your join date and your total post count (referring to the member I've quoted below), so I have no idea if you've been successfully multiboxing raids since TBC or you just began multiboxing less than six months ago after MoP's release. I'll try not to be too harsh in this reply...

I think we got what we deserve.

While I can somewhat agree with this statement, I don't agree with your reasoning why.

It has become too easy and too efficient to multi box

I would never say that multiboxing is easy, but I would say that the bar has been lowered in order to break into multiboxing these days (beyond the pricetag) due to the community, the widespread of knowledge, and the public guides that are available. In fact, the most recently added feature in WoW which has immensely helped multiboxers was the implementation of Interact with Target -- And it's been almost 3 years since it was added in patch 3.1.

We pushed the limits too far. Software like isboxer allows to perform automated actions.

This is an argument commonly used on the WoW forums in threads that retaliate against multiboxers. Lax has a recent blog post that, I believe, does a good job defining what 'automation' really is (and how game companies view it).

You can spam the same button and it will trigger a different action each time. You don't even know exactly what action is gonna be done when you press your same button. Is it howling blast or obliterate? You don't need to know. Boxing like that requires no skills.

This paragraph is where you're getting your definition that multiboxing is "too easy", but I'm going to go ahead and play devil's advocate here (it's one of my favorite roles to play).

You're correct in saying that spamming keys takes no skill, but it also comes at a major DPS loss. Whether it's procs or positioning or whatever else, multiboxers just can't keep up and that's why we're at a constant disadvantage. When it comes to dealing with procs, multiboxers fall into one of these categories:

• Completely avoid proc-based talents and/or skills altogether
• Completely avoid classes that rely heavily on procs or positioning for good DPS
• Attempt to utilize procs, but not efficiently
• Able to utilize procs like a boss and maximizing DPS almost as well as a solo player

Which category do you believe most multiboxers fall into? Hint: It's not the bottom one.

Blizzard has made the game a little easier with every expansion -- whether it's class/ability consolidation or talents being dumbed down into what they are today -- and spamming abilities has become more forgiving over time. Did you play the game when healers had to be efficient with mana and use different ranks of each spell?

When we lost the comma-based macro system after WotLK and multiboxers had to actually begin playing their teams to an extent (crowd control lolwut?), our DPS numbers plummeted and many had to heavily "out gear" the content that was available in order to clear it. Cataclysm was a real eye-opener for many players that relied heavily on just mindlessly spamming keys.

However, don't get me wrong... there are those individuals who can multibox very efficiently, but it's most likely on a PvE level where scripted events can be overcome due to repetition. You seem to be stuck on the idea that being able to spam abilities means easy multiboxing. That's clearly not the case or else we'd be dominating Arena, RBGs, and current tier raid content.

[luxlunae]

You don't even know exactly what action is gonna be done when you press your same button.

Everything that Mirai said, plus I'm going to point out that this is true of anyone using castsequence macros.

If anything blizzard has made dpsing harder by making more stuff proc based over the last two expansions.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

Troll alert, but I'll bite.

Software like isboxer allows to perform automated actions .

Stopped reading right there. Obvious distortions like that completely undermine whatever else you might be trying to communicate. If you're going to accuse someone else of violations of the "spirit of the <blah>" then try to not be guilty of violations of the "spirit of honest argument." lol

[JohnGabriel]

I can do more automation with my World or Warcraft gaming mouse and Gaming Keyboard then I can with IsBoxer.

IsBoxer does not work with the auto-fire thing, but WoW does. So if I wanted to automate macros I would have to do it with WoW only, not through IsBoxer.

[smalltanker]

WOW, lots of deleted posts and lots of over assuming going on.

So lets back it up and I want to share some of my limited experience. I first got in to boxing after getting owned by an elemental shaman team back in S2-4, way back in the day at the end of TBC if I recall. I started small, leveled and it was never easy as I didn't have ISBoxer and as a player was still increasing my knowledge of macros and what not. In that regard we have come along way as a community.

Flash foward 2-3 expansions and I am still getting better at PVP as solo and group play. PVP is never easy. Boxing PVP is never easy or a faceroll. In the last season's closing days I was leveling my shamans in AV after doing some quests. One rogue tied up my whole team the entire AV. I had totems down, spread out earthquakes, occassional elementals... etc... PVP is never easy if you are against a skilled and determined single boxer. If you can work LOS, CC at max range and then re-stealth/kite away before over whelming reprisal hits you then you as a single-boxer are successful. If a multi-boxer can't get that lil thorn out of their side in world PVP try doing it in Arena. There are threads out there of people not being able to overcome a determined rogue/druid who gets the stealth detect buffs and then resetting combat.

Since the late portion of Cata there has been some very vocal single-boxers and multi-boxers on the WOW forums. Most of us who box get slotted against a pre-made team when we used to queue up. I have gone against alliance boxers and QQ premades while running with the Zerg. I think most people over estimate the number of boxers and premades in the BGs but the feedback has hurt us. No one really cares how much of an advantage or disadvantage a boxer brings to the team. You can be sitting in AV/AB/EOTS holding a node and the entire team will be grumpy even if you never lose that node. Even then PVP isn't easy if 3-8 attack you using CC and stealth.

So I will be back in AV shortly (this weekend hopefully ding'ing 90 on my used to be elemental shammy team) and druid if/when I transfer it off of my daughters account tomorrow. I have to work out my teams changes, macros, set-up and try to figue out how 4 enhancements and either a resto/balance/guardian/feral druid can do well together. While doing so I have to figure out how my logitech g600 mouse can make my life easier.

I generally extract portions of the macros from here and then customize my own take on it as I am not a top level boxer but I give it a good try. I don't copy a setup and call it mine, I make my own and play it my way. I think that is what attacts alot of people to this community is the desire to do something different, push their level of group play higher, and over come some self-appointed goals. I would be happy making and maintaining 13-1400 CR rating in 5s. Just something to think about.

[sethlan]

hmm looks like follow is working in arenas

[mihon]

hmm looks like follow is working in arenas

Thats good, Lets just hope they fix the /follow in BGs as soon as possible so i can subscribe to my wow accounts again.