Follow In Battlegrounds Broken After 5.2

[Chivalrous]

Well, dungeon bosses now reward 100jp. So 4 bosses reward 275 (I'm going off memory here that number might not be correct) honor once converted. You could run dungeons for honor gear and arenas for conquest gear if the change is rolled back in arena... /shrug. I did a random last night to make sure everything still worked in pve and I cleared moshugan palace quite quickly (like 12 mins probably) so it would've equaled like ~200 honor.

Silly Blizz.

[ebony]

we got owned. the players love it now we gone. since mop came out there been more and more hate even to the point some staff with the hate for us.

its over this change is not going to be undone with the feedback blizzard getting back. its never been about the money.

they should just remove Join as group from bg's.

[Dooz]

I think the way they went about it was F'd, but.... honestly, I knew this day was coming. I think they were alright with boxing pre-ISboxer , but I think we crossed a line in the sand. I'm not knocking ISBoxer... I'm a subscriber. But rare was the day when you'd see a 5/10 boxer in a BG before it. More multiboxers meant more complaints. I think we all knew this. That's why we put the heavy emphasis on being legit... "Don't give them a reason to ban us." So here we are.

Anyway, I'm done with WoW. Looking for new game.

[Noxdiebox]

For multiboxers who understand German:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/forum/to...7309559?page=1

[sethlan]

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=69099



There is your pvp gear, we dont need honor to get it.

Also just do RATED BATTLE GROUNDS, my eperience is that 25 percent of the time the oppenet will not show up.

You dont need follow if the oppenet is not there.

You can get enough conquest for a purchace in 20 games.

I never tried to q up for rbg, with my ten box seems like a great idea,

[zenga]

Once the lobby starts to work, no way that blizzard can keep up with this change without providing an alternative. With the lobby I mean any group of blind/disabled people giving rumor to this change. You have to realize wow is played by a lot of people who have little else to do due to some sort of disability. With a lot I'm not talking about 10s of thousands, but that doesn't really matter.

Imagine that a blind guy who's enjoyment it is to do a few random bg's every night with his brother, now all in a sudden gets taken away one of his main enjoyments. Making this example up, but you'd be surprised how certain people play this game and what kind of enjoyment they get out of it. Remember that iraq veteran who lost his sight during combat but still killed ragnaros in firelands? It's not only the blind people that use follow, etc etc You get the point.

Now imagine how bad of a pub it would be for blizzard when there is an article in some news magazine with a headline such as: 'Blizzard removes the enjoyment of the disabled players' You can probably come up with better titles, but again you get the idea.
Not accommodating to the unhealthy is frowned upon, in pretty much every civilized place in the world.

If you want follow back in BGs, contact some organisation for blind people, write a press statement and send that to every possible news agency in the world. Once word gets out, I guarantee you that blizz will either provide an alternative or will revert the change.

[Ronburgundy]

Soooo now what...

[heyaz]

Don't underestimate the commercial value of the multiboxing community that have active accounts. Blizzard don't really want to mess with us. They just want to make a two-head politic that suits the majority of players but don't warm multiboxers too much.

Just as an example of a single player - me:

I have an active subscrition since the release date (2005) and I began multiboxing 5 toons on WotLK (2008). So lets put it in numbers:

Subs:

((2013-2005) * 12 + 4 * (2013-2008) * 12) * 12€ = 4032€

Boxes:

1 set of collectors edition (vanilla to MOP) + 4 normal (bchest + WotLK + Cata + MOP) + 2 innactive accounts (vanilla + TBC) + 5 BattleChests I bought last week to RAF another batch of toons (sic!!) = roughly 1200€

11 transfers: 220€

TOTAL: Around 5500€

I think most multiboxers are driving (or they will sooner or later) 5 toon teams. So if we were just 100 (because I think we are some more), that means a potentially income equal to 500 normal players.

Any company, even a big one like Blizzard, will not waste 500 clients mostly because this mean a mountly income. So the real deal is those '500 players' * many time * cost of subscritions and/or services they pay.

I'm sure Blizzard will not harm multiboxers as long we stay cool and behave according to the rules without 'crossing the line' (imho, some of us, regarding PvP, are stepping that line and this measure is consequence of that).

He have to agree that removing /follow on BG/arena are very welcome to the majority of the community and, even most of the modern bots don't use follow, it can help to stop or minimize the plague. For instance, botters cannot state 'Hey, you're wrong! I'm not a botter, I'm a multiboxer'.

Tbh, I think they didn't thought about /follow beeing a essencial feature to us. Someone, in the morning briefing, may have thrown on the table his big idea to stop botting:

"hey and if we remove /follow in BGs and arenas?"
"hell yeaah!!"
"brilliant!"
"mmm, do the bots follow?"
"sure, I remember to have seen a bunch following the same char"
"yea, this time we've got them"
"and the community will rejoice"
"to work, then. let it happens right on the patch"
"but the patch notes were already announced"
"that will be a surprise"
"yeah, and then we can write in the forums: aren't you thankful?"
"hehe..."

TL;DR: 1. Multiboxers are important to Blizzard because in this type of business (subscrition based + extra services) a few thousend accounts means good money. 2. Assumption that some Blizzard decisions are taken without serious ponderation. 3. Removing follow in BG/Arena was not aimed to us. Maybe they didn't even know it was so crucial.

Don't underestimate the >$120,000,000 they make from subs overall, nearly all of which does not come from us.

I'm sure Blizzard did some serious "ponderation" before making any change that would affect subscriptions. You know, like analysts with spreadsheets and meetings and the like. They calculated it and it made sense. They won't be losing much.

[Ronburgundy]

And im just now seeing the irony in my signature image -_-

I wonder if the Blizz devs who multibox themselves are upset about this.

[moosejaw]

Hey Ron, I made the Scrapiron post yesterday. Pointed out how boxers were so numerous to disrupt bg's before and now we are insignificant when our gameplay is ruined. Once again, nothing but idiots on the wow forums.

I already setup a station pass for one of my EQ1 + EQ2 accounts. I am going to solo some classic goodness for a while.