Follow In Battlegrounds Broken After 5.2

[heyaz]

That's cool that it works but.... man that's janky. Interact with a stag... until it dies. or mounted and run at its travel form speed. Are we that desperate to do battlegrounds?

... every boxer levels a druid leader. the classic "kill the leader" will be very effective.

If you're the BG/Arena type, I'd cancel your subs until there is word on what they'll do long term... just wasting 5-10 (or more?) subs a month to try expensive gimmick tricks to replace follow.

[thefunk]

That's cool that it works but.... man that's janky. Interact with a stag... until it dies. or mounted and run at its travel form speed. Are we that desperate to do battlegrounds?

... every boxer levels a druid leader. the classic "kill the leader" will be very effective.

If you're the BG/Arena type, I'd cancel your subs until there is word on what they'll do long term... just wasting 5-10 (or more?) subs a month to try expensive gimmick tricks to replace follow.

Our play style has always been "tolerated" and it's our creativity that sets us apart - we are certainly not entitled to anything apart from standard ToS.

Don't discourage creative solutions.

[Owltoid]

That's cool that it works but.... man that's janky. Interact with a stag... until it dies. or mounted and run at its travel form speed. Are we that desperate to do battlegrounds?

... every boxer levels a druid leader. the classic "kill the leader" will be very effective.

If you're the BG/Arena type, I'd cancel your subs until there is word on what they'll do long term... just wasting 5-10 (or more?) subs a month to try expensive gimmick tricks to replace follow.

I thought I saw you in my stream. If so then didn't you see how fluid it works? The Druid version is just a quirk - the regular two person mount works for BGs just fine.

/follow is not coming back for BGs. However, I'm still having a ton of fun and being 90% effective without it. I'm going to start working on arena in the next couple of days. One thing is clear to me - if I lose a battle the vast majority of the time it's because of my skill with my rogues or gear, not because the lack of /follow.

[valkry]

That's cool that it works but.... man that's janky. Interact with a stag... until it dies. or mounted and run at its travel form speed. Are we that desperate to do battlegrounds?

... every boxer levels a druid leader. the classic "kill the leader" will be very effective.

If you're the BG/Arena type, I'd cancel your subs until there is word on what they'll do long term... just wasting 5-10 (or more?) subs a month to try expensive gimmick tricks to replace follow.

A boxer telling this community they are wasting money, I lold so hard at the irony

EDIT: so hard

[Vecter]

Let's stick to the thread discussion and not derail it with offtopic. I have temporarily removed the posts in question.

[MiRai]

It's always hard to judge posts like this because of your join date and your total post count (referring to the member I've quoted below), so I have no idea if you've been successfully multiboxing raids since TBC or you just began multiboxing less than six months ago after MoP's release. I'll try not to be too harsh in this reply...

I think we got what we deserve.

While I can somewhat agree with this statement, I don't agree with your reasoning why.

It has become too easy and too efficient to multi box

I would never say that multiboxing is easy, but I would say that the bar has been lowered in order to break into multiboxing these days (beyond the pricetag) due to the community, the widespread of knowledge, and the public guides that are available. In fact, the most recently added feature in WoW which has immensely helped multiboxers was the implementation of Interact with Target -- And it's been almost 3 years since it was added in patch 3.1.

We pushed the limits too far. Software like isboxer allows to perform automated actions.

This is an argument commonly used on the WoW forums in threads that retaliate against multiboxers. Lax has a recent blog post that, I believe, does a good job defining what 'automation' really is (and how game companies view it).

You can spam the same button and it will trigger a different action each time. You don't even know exactly what action is gonna be done when you press your same button. Is it howling blast or obliterate? You don't need to know. Boxing like that requires no skills.

This paragraph is where you're getting your definition that multiboxing is "too easy", but I'm going to go ahead and play devil's advocate here (it's one of my favorite roles to play).

You're correct in saying that spamming keys takes no skill, but it also comes at a major DPS loss. Whether it's procs or positioning or whatever else, multiboxers just can't keep up and that's why we're at a constant disadvantage. When it comes to dealing with procs, multiboxers fall into one of these categories:

• Completely avoid proc-based talents and/or skills altogether
• Completely avoid classes that rely heavily on procs or positioning for good DPS
• Attempt to utilize procs, but not efficiently
• Able to utilize procs like a boss and maximizing DPS almost as well as a solo player

Which category do you believe most multiboxers fall into? Hint: It's not the bottom one.

Blizzard has made the game a little easier with every expansion -- whether it's class/ability consolidation or talents being dumbed down into what they are today -- and spamming abilities has become more forgiving over time. Did you play the game when healers had to be efficient with mana and use different ranks of each spell?

When we lost the comma-based macro system after WotLK and multiboxers had to actually begin playing their teams to an extent (crowd control lolwut?), our DPS numbers plummeted and many had to heavily "out gear" the content that was available in order to clear it. Cataclysm was a real eye-opener for many players that relied heavily on just mindlessly spamming keys.

However, don't get me wrong... there are those individuals who can multibox very efficiently, but it's most likely on a PvE level where scripted events can be overcome due to repetition. You seem to be stuck on the idea that being able to spam abilities means easy multiboxing. That's clearly not the case or else we'd be dominating Arena, RBGs, and current tier raid content.

[Shania]

Shit... i really dont know what to say......... i have not read forums here for a little while and been nosing around and saw all this and cannot believe it from first to last pages...... wow. just wow.

Various different opnions and interesting points, mine is I agree and believe it was done to kill the boxers in BGs because of the very often crying posts on blizzard forums......... so to get rid of us from bg's. I'm guessing it will eventually hit in RF, Dungeons, Pve especially if boxers are smashing single people down in the open world. :/

My head hurts. Ive been just wasting my time playing wow like I do, playing Ah on all 5 accounts at once, and sometimes raiding on my main which is going nowhere and was going too server transfer just my main to raid, as I was enjoying ToT, if I can actually find a damn decent solid raiding guild Waaaa....my guild fell apart, ppl left, quit, and blah blah.

My real life is has turnt so damn down and upside down the wow kind of keeps me slightly level headed and semi-sane and I have not had a laugh in a good 6 months or so at all, smile here or there, no real laugh, but whoever made that video, I cannot thank you enough, Truely.

You just released me of 6 months of no laughter and I really did laugh so damn much I re-watched it 3 times, its absolutely pure GOLD!! The text is atad fast at times, but it fits movie,actions and all the pun intended so damn well, its actually bloody brilliant.

https://twitter.com/FiveBoxerGrimm/s...46518175715328

Freakin Awesome, love it, thanks heaps for sharing whoever it was

Anyway, real sad times for pvp boxers, really is, so sorry to know about it all.

Money, time shit load of valuable time committed to game, pvp and ........ geee.

[Chivalrous]

I waste soooo much money.

[EaTCarbS]

I waste soooo much money.

I waste it on EVE now. No regrets

[Ualaa]

I'm looking at other games, to waste it on...
At the moment, digging through my pencil and paper D&D editions... which is free.