Want to start all over again, is it worth it?

[Palee]

Don't get it why you guys keep trying so hard for arena. DKs are tearing it up nicely in BGs. Any other class is subpar.

[Owltoid]

Don't get it why you guys keep trying so hard for arena. DKs are tearing it up nicely in BGs. Any other class is subpar.

BGs or RBGs? Big difference.

Arena is the purest test of your team and skills. BGs have been dominated by multiple team compositions, including DKs and enhancement shamans in MOP. We have yet to see success in RBGs from any team - care to offer proof otherwise?

[heyaz]

Pretty sure he said BGs in both his post and in the quote.

I've rather push for 5s than attempt serious RBGs. I'm not planning on doing either.

[Owltoid]

Pretty sure he said BGs in both his post and in the quote.

Yeah - I'm well aware of what he typed and what I quoted. I was asking if he really meant BGs or if he was talking about RBGs, a much more appropriate comparison to arena. Peeps make typos or use the wrong acronym all the time.

[Palee]

Yes I mean BGs, not RBGs. Competitive PVP is nice to feel your blood pumping but after a while it gets really frustrating and stressful.
There are still challenges in BGs. Like going in AV or IoC where the bulk of their team is and try to survive as long as possible.

[Owltoid]

Yes I mean BGs, not RBGs. Competitive PVP is nice to feel your blood pumping but after a while it gets really frustrating and stressful.
There are still challenges in BGs. Like going in AV or IoC where the bulk of their team is and try to survive as long as possible.

Personally, I think consistently winning 10-man BGs is a bigger accomplishment than fighting the massive amount of bots in AV/IoC. Some of the worst multiboxing PvPers find lots of success in AV and IoC - not a lot of 4-5 mans can consistently dominate the smaller BGs where you actually have some pressure. Being successful at arena trumps almost all, in my opinion. The crowning achievement would be a fully multiboxed RBG team with a decent rating, but we haven't seen that, yet.

Buuuut, if AV or IoC is your goal, pretty much any comp will work and you can have fun.

[Ualaa]

I don't see anyone being successful in a 10-man Rated BG.

A 5-man often has issues in the 10-man BGs.
Less so, but still has issues in many of the 15-man BGs.
Having 50% (or 33%) of the team... always in one place, is a serious detriment.

RBGs are always 10-man.
If you had a pair of 5-boxers, you'd still likely be at a disadvantage compared to a ten individuals.
Even if the 5-boxers were almost always able to achieve objectives where they were at.

If you're all ten players, in a 10-man rated BG...
You're only going to efficiently play in one place at a time.
You might guard your flag room, so they cannot take your flag... but there's zero chance of capturing their flag, while also protecting your own... and once both flags are in play, your flag carrier will get stacking vulnerability debuffs until they're one-shot.
A single flag return for the other team, will win the game likely every time.

Any game where you have to protect 3 of the five nodes (or even 2 of the three) isn't going to be that good for you.
You'll have to split your team, and concentrate on two separate objectives at once.
The other side is free to leave a solo player to guard a node (and call out INCs).
If you don't split your toons, three solo players will hold more nodes than your entire boxed team.
If you do split your toons, you'll have to be able to manage two separate battles simultaneously.

Basically, to be at all competitive in a Rated BG, you're going to need at least three players controlling the ten toons on your side.
You'd likely be better off with as many individuals as possible.
I could see two 3-boxers and four inviduals, or something similar... as having a chance at some wins.



Non-rated BGs are going to be much more doable.
The opposition isn't always going to have good gearing, and if you do... your 3/4/5, might be able to win some games, if the rest of your team is half competent.

EotS can be won, by rushing towards whatever they hold... and taking it.
If the rest of your team is willing to guard what you take, with at least a token force.

WSG can be won, if you intercept their flag carrier consistently.
And your team is capable of returning a single flag carrier.



Most boxers go for IoC/AV, because multiple compositions have a chance.
Not everyone wants to play the most optimal (or close to the top) team.
If you prefer 5x Feral or 5x Rogues... you have a chance to contribute to a win, in a 40-man.
You're probably guaranteeing your team loses any Rated BG and most 10/15-man non-Rated BGs.

It is a large scale BG, so you're only 12.5% of the team... which is a huge plus, as every other objective can (in theory) be held by the rest of your team.

Essentially, you can play what you enjoy.
You get the strengths of boxing... blowing things up, or making anyone near you immune to damage via your healing...
And can still win, at least 50% of the time (often, far higher... if you concentrate on an objective or two like recapping bunkers/towers).