Valor Points, save or spend?

[crowdx]

So with new tier gear coming in 5.2 are you guys saving or spending your valor points?

[heyaz]

So with new tier gear coming in 5.2 are you guys saving or spending your valor points?

They're wiping valor points.

[crowdx]

So then spend I would think is the answer

[Khatovar]

They aren't converting Valor this time.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...11142?page=1#1

After reading your feedback and locking ourselves in dim, fluorescent-lit rooms for much deliberation, we have decided that we are NOT going to convert Valor to Justice and Justice to gold when 5.2 ships. Current Valor items will continue to require Valor in 5.2, and will be offered at a discount as listed in the PTR patch notes. Given that PvE and PvP currencies function quite a bit differently, Conquest will still convert to Honor and Honor to gold as previously discussed.

We’re making the Valor change for a couple of reasons, but primarily because we think a down-conversion under the new Mists endgame progression model just feels mean. We traditionally viewed this conversion process with each patch as a necessary evil to discourage hoarding—it’s not fun to feel like you can’t spend your Valor in the weeks before a new patch because you have to be ready to buy everything up. However, we have a Valor cap now to prevent excessive hoarding, many of the Valor rewards in 5.2 require raiding to acquire (for example, many of the ilevel-522 rewards are tied to Shado-Pan Assault reputation, which you’ll only gain rep with by raiding in the Throne of Thunder), and the LFR version has an ilvl-480 requirement, meaning you can’t hoard Valor on a brand new 90 and jump straight to the best stuff. All of these factors being considered, it doesn’t make good sense to take Valor away from players in this context. Down-conversions may occur for future patch releases depending on the circumstances, but for 5.2 it’s safe and snuggly where it is.

In addition, we’re making a change to ensure that there are some gear rewards available via the Kirin Tor Offensive and Sunreaver Onslaught, the two new factions with which players can earn reputation in 5.2 without raiding. The patch was shaping up to be a real challenge for players who don’t like raiding (including LFR), as our original design meant that no new Valor rewards would be available to them without needing to run Throne of Thunder. You can expect to see the Valor rewards on the Kirin Tor Offensive and Sunreaver Onslaught quartermasters updated on the 5.2 public test realms in the near future. These rewards are ilevel 496 and will only accommodate a few slots, as they aren’t intended to be very attractive to raiders (including those running LFR), but should give non-raiders something to shoot for in 5.2.

If you’ve already made plans and sank your Valor, don’t fret! As of this announcement, and even if you have 0 Valor currently, you still have enough time to cap out at 3000 Valor before patch 5.2 goes live. (It’s math!)

We’d love to hear your feedback about this change, and how you’re planning to earn, save, and spend Valor before the patch releases.

[crowdx]

So re-reading the above blue post it seems I can hold onto my valor points and get the same items at a discount when 5.2 goes live. Now I am wondering though (and this was mentioned in the 5.2 patch thread), is there going to be gear upgrades past ilvl 489 if I am not raiding?

[zenga]

So re-reading the above blue post it seems I can hold onto my valor points and get the same items at a discount when 5.2 goes live. Now I am wondering though (and this was mentioned in the 5.2 patch thread), is there going to be gear upgrades past ilvl 489 if I am not raiding?

It's in the post above yours ...

In addition, we’re making a change to ensure that there are some gear rewards available via the Kirin Tor Offensive and Sunreaver Onslaught, the two new factions with which players can earn reputation in 5.2 without raiding. ... These rewards are ilevel 496 and will only accommodate a few slots, as they aren’t intended to be very attractive to raiders (including those running LFR), but should give non-raiders something to shoot for in 5.2.

[crowdx]

Looking at that faction it seems the rewards are rings and belts. I really think they should have added a full set of gear at ilvl 496. This would still provide a decent gap between raiders and folk doing heroics.

[luxlunae]

Looking at that faction it seems the rewards are rings and belts. I really think they should have added a full set of gear at ilvl 496. This would still provide a decent gap between raiders and folk doing heroics.

But it forces the people that would rather just do LFR back into doing dailies. Which is hopefully something they've realized was a nasty brutal mistake in 5.0.

[crowdx]

But it forces the people that would rather just do LFR back into doing dailies. Which is hopefully something they've realized was a nasty brutal mistake in 5.0.

I am not sure I understand how this will force LFR back into dailies? Did they not have to do the dailies in 5.1 to get rep for gear or are you simply referencing that the slot items from the factions above are only available from rep grind with those factions.
Can you clarify??

[heyaz]

You can champion a certain faction which I believe allows you to get rep from other sources, i.e. boss kills from LFR.

But it forces the people that would rather just do LFR back into doing dailies. Which is hopefully something they've realized was a nasty brutal mistake in 5.0.

A lot of people like the dallies. Personally I think all the options are great, especially for making gold and there being no limit on the number you can do - if you have the time you can grind out the rep for all factions. I think the outspoken minority of whiners on the forums don't really represent the entire player base. I still see tons of people doing dallies all over both servers I've played on. The word "force" is used too much, I don't think anything they've done FORCES you to do anything. You can fill every slot via LFR an heroic dungeons, and you can fill in a lot of them via rep items from dallies, crafted gear, etc. They just added even more option to get good gear. Think back to wrath dallies where the rep gear was crap that was only relevant for the first patch.

Seems like the more options they add, the more ways to get gear, the more people throw out the word "forced" as if they have no choice but to fully take advantage of every single option to get gear to max it out. You don't, unless you're in a heroic progression guild and absolutely need everything you can get. You used to be "forced" to join a raiding guild if you wanted epic gear at all. There was no LFR, the rewards from dallies were garbage first patch blue gear, etc.