Drop the Shaman for the last slot and fill it up with a DK?

[Lyonheart]

I don't see why you would not be able to run your current PvE team and the PvP team? Im with Zenga.. i have seen those logs and i know enhance can do insane DPS.. i just cant seem to get a boxed enhance shaman to do even 60% of what i can do solo.

[Ellay]

Solar Beam is nice and I do use it pretty frequently.
Thank you Zenga for that information. I need to review further, if my Shamans could pump out even 100k burst like that for a small window I dont't think I would have ever touched the Dk's.

[heyaz]

Unless you really need the utility, mostly from windwalk totem and tremor totem, I don't see the benefit of having 3 DKs and a shaman instead of 4 DKs. Uptime from DKs is constant while enhance sits around barely doing more than auto attacking outside of cooldowns. The enhance "kill shot" isn't really relevant with only one; a 100-120k stormblast every 3 minutes isn't really making up for constant obliterates and extra aoe damage. The mastery buff is very nice, as you said 10% more frost damage, but it doesn't affect obliterate which will be critting for 70-90k on geared targets once you have the pvp weapon.

Seems also like having the shaman is just more micromanagement which would better be used on your healer and use of the DKs' cooldowns.


The damage increase from the weapons are massive but that affects your DKs just as much. Grip -> obliterate x4 drops people to 25-50% right away or is a kill shot is they are undergeared.

Of course the damage of the weapon is big but it will nearly double your PVP power. On your DKs you're sitting at about 6300 pvp power, which is 24.14%. The upgraded PVP weapon has 5174 pvp power. You'll go from 24% to over 40% right away. Add some pvp power gems, upgrade it, etc. and you're in the 50s. I think as human and being a blacksmith, you can break 60%

[Ellay]

I'll try to get some data this evening if I get a chance to log on (wife permitting), but I noticed you were standing next to another training dummy so some of those numbers would be inflated from aoe on the lava lash with Flameshock jumping to it right? I mean it's still really good dps numbers, just trying to get it as accurate as possible.

On a lvl 85 training dummy last night. I had my DK's in a group minus the Shaman and after 3 minutes this was their DPS.(this was in PvP Gear)

53k,50k,45k

Adding the Shaman into the mix it was 51k,50k,49k.
I know it's a really small sample size, but it shows mastery helps slightly but not by much. I guess I'm putting too much value on that buff when my main attack obliterate it's not even affecting. If I do get enough time this week I will try to get points on my 4th DK just in case I do make the switch over. If I can get the Shaman to within 25% of the DKs DPS I'll be happy, I'm just concerned it won't be that close, and for Arenas it's all about min/maxing. Though I love my original "Aelli", I'm here to win

[Owltoid]

It does attack the dummy, always has been doing so btw.

Apparently the searing totem will only attack the dummy if you have put flame shock on the dummy. Since I pretty much never use flame shock in my enhancement PvP rotation, I was never able to see the totem attack and give me my lava lash buff.

I'm guessing Ellay isn't using flame shock either, which means my original comment holds - the searing totem is not attacking the dummy and your lava lash is being gimped.

[Ellay]

I added flame shock back in the dps loss of not using it as the first shock is massive. Even in pvp it seems.

[Owltoid]

your targets only survive a few seconds - how does flameshock help when earthshock will likely do more damage?

[Chivalrous]

When flameshock is active lava lash spreads flame shock to other targets doesn't it?

[Owltoid]

yes, it does, but I'd rather have my first target dead with earthshock than trying to micromanage the timing of lava lash and flameshock.

[Ellay]

I just looked and my DK I would swap with has 0 PvP gear and no conquest points. Not too thrilled about that. It'd be hilarious if he ends up doing the same damage as the Shaman right out the gate though.