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    Quote Originally Posted by Owltoid View Post
    Pretty sure searing totem doesn't attack training dummies, which means you're losing that DPS plus the buff to flametongue weapon. That's a material difference.
    It does attack the dummy, always has been doing so btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenga View Post
    It does attack the dummy, always has been doing so btw.
    Apparently the searing totem will only attack the dummy if you have put flame shock on the dummy. Since I pretty much never use flame shock in my enhancement PvP rotation, I was never able to see the totem attack and give me my lava lash buff.

    I'm guessing Ellay isn't using flame shock either, which means my original comment holds - the searing totem is not attacking the dummy and your lava lash is being gimped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owltoid View Post
    Apparently the searing totem will only attack the dummy if you have put flame shock on the dummy. Since I pretty much never use flame shock in my enhancement PvP rotation, I was never able to see the totem attack and give me my lava lash buff.

    I'm guessing Ellay isn't using flame shock either, which means my original comment holds - the searing totem is not attacking the dummy and your lava lash is being gimped.
    You are correct. I never realized that one would opt to not use flame shock when doing a dps test vs the target dummies, since flame shock is one of the highest damage per cast spells for enhancement. Searing totem used to be tied to flame shock prior to mop, so it would only attack those targets that had the FS dot on them. Luckily the searing totem AI improved a lot, but my guess is that the dummies are a weird target and still use the old mechanic.

    So yeah not getting the buff from unleash elements for flame shock (since FS is your only fire spell as enhance when specced into unleashed fury), no searing totem damage and no searing flames to buff for lava lash might explain those low numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellay View Post
    but I noticed you were standing next to another training dummy so some of those numbers would be inflated from aoe on the lava lash with Flameshock jumping to it right? I mean it's still really good dps numbers, just trying to get it as accurate as possible.
    Flameshock will not spread on those dummies by lava lash, since the range is apparently too big (I just double checked it to make sure). But to make sure I glyphed lava lash so it wouldn't spread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellay View Post
    I added flame shock back in the dps loss of not using it as the first shock is massive. Even in pvp it seems.
    I'm not sure after reading this if you are using it or not (lost in translation here).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenga View Post
    I never realized that one would opt to not use flame shock when doing a dps test vs the target dummies, since flame shock is one of the highest damage per cast spells for enhancement.
    For PvE, yes. For PvP, if your target lives long enough to make that FS do more damage than the ES you could have cast, then something is wrong. FS is one slow DoT while ES can hit pretty hard, especially with the increased crit from Stormstrike.

    I'm guessing Ellay saw the loss in DPS on training dummies and put FS back into the rotation. It is a big DPS loss if you're not getting your searing totem damage and buff. That doesn't actually happen in PvP, though, as the searing totem will attack without FS being on the target. In actual PvP, FS has very limited use for enhancement and will likely be a DPS/burst loss compared to ES (that won't be reflected in tests on a dummy).
    Last edited by Owltoid : 02-04-2013 at 01:23 AM
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