BG Queue Assist AddOns

[Ualaa]

You do know you can AV rath vs qq to your hearts content via wargame, right? You dont even need 40v40, you can do 10v10 AV.

Since the only thing you are after is coordinated vs coordinated play.......

Sure thing.

Give me honor for the kills... and have the kills count towards my 250,000 HK achievement.
Give me conquest for the first match on the day, or conquest points for each 'Random' 40-man BG victory.

Or alternatively, give me maximum gearing immediately and all of the pvp achieves.
And then Wargames against multiple equally coordinated opponent teams, not the same team each match.
Preferably with multiple boxers on both sides, roughly half multi-box and half solo-boxed.



I want a reward for my play time.
And I want to play coordinated 40 man battlegrounds.
Not 10/15 man games.

[Fat Tire]

Sure thing.

Give me honor for the kills... and have the kills count towards my 250,000 HK achievement.
Give me conquest for the first match on the day, or conquest points for each 'Random' 40-man BG victory.

Or alternatively, give me maximum gearing immediately and all of the pvp achieves.
And then Wargames against multiple equally coordinated opponent teams, not the same team each match.
Preferably with multiple boxers on both sides, roughly half multi-box and half solo-boxed.



I want a reward for my play time.
And I want to play coordinated 40 man battlegrounds.
Not 10/15 man games.

You're playing the wrong game.

[EaTCarbS]

You're playing the wrong game.

Heaven forbid people aren't satisfied with the status quo.

[Fat Tire]

Heaven forbid people aren't satisfied with the status quo.

I agree entirely, I am guessing it was the main reason for the change.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

There is already a planned BG environment, and it's called rated battlegrounds. The idea behind random battlegrounds is that they are random. Trying to game the random aspect of random battlegrounds is silly. When you participate into random play, you accept a certain handicap on your side and expect a certain handicap on the other side, there is only a limited level of coordination possible with random play (i.e. what is possible through BG chat and what is possible with small groups; but that is clearly not a full premade raid).

It's beyond my mind that people I consider very reasonable from what they tend to post over time on this board. don't seem to understand the concept behind random battlegrounds and rated bg's.

Yep, that's the gist of what I got from the blue posts that include words like "roflstomp" and such. As a counterpoint, it surprises me that what seem to be rather obvious fixes to the BG system that people have been requesting for years keep falling on deaf ears, resulting in players being creative in trying to work around the perceived issues. One good example is bots. Bots don't use realID and join premades, for obvious reasons. It must be wholly depressing to look around and realize the other team is 70% premade and yours is 30% bots.

Still, it seems awfully intellectually lazy of Blizzard to just keep nerfing the things people do to make their game more fun instead of just making their game more fun.

[Ualaa]

Incidentally, I don't queue random...
It is either for AV or IoC.

It's not the wrong the game.

Whether you like how I play the game or not, I don't really give a shit.
I accept that you'll play the way that gets you the most enjoyment, which is exactly what I'm doing too.
After all, it is a hobby which is done for fun.

I get that you want the game to be fun, for the masses.
Do you get that I want the game to be fun for boxing 40-man premades?





Would you do raids, if the environment was a War Raid?
You're fresh to 90th, just have leveling gear...
You can do the raid as often as you want, without a lockout.
You get the challenge of the encounters, as often as you like.
But there is no gold reward (nor durability loss), and nothing ever drops...

Or alternatively, you can do some kind of a 10-man raid...
Except every encounter is designed that you cannot win, if you're boxing.
Maybe you need to do eight independent actions at once, so a boxer is a virtually guaranteed loss.
But there is loot for the option you won't win using... or you can play the 'fun' option and never get anything out of it.

That's exactly what you're advocating.

The PvP option of this, is what Blizzard is pushing too.
But queuing as multiple groups, with vent coordination will work around that...

Blizz should bring in the option to queue as a raid 10/15/40.
And when you do, you only get raids of similar size against you.
Not rated and not random, counting as a normal battleground with rewards as per other normal BGs.

[daanji]

don't seem to understand the concept behind random battlegrounds and rated bg's.

Indeed. Random Battle grounds are just that - the battle field is random. Sometimes you are faced with 40 AFKers or bots. Other times you are faced with 40-multi-boxed toons. You can't get more random or diverse than that.

Given the fact that premades in Random Battle Grounds represent a very small fraction of games (I'd wager less than 1%), I don't see it as an issue.

I remember that first time I got rolled by a QQ premade (2 years ago on my 5-box shamans). I was shocked by the coordination and capabilities of the team. Sure, it wasn't fun being graveyard camped for the entire match - but made me want to find out more and play on a team of that level. It was a very memorable game for me and I enjoyed each skirmish and each challenge, success, and fail.

Rated Battlegrounds are Garbage for a variety of reasons. I've played them for 2-years single-box. You spend half the time managing the team and the other half waiting on queues that will never pop.

What oQueue does it gives you the capability to

A. Create a Premade (for Randoms, Rated, Dungeon, Raids, whatever)
B. Advertise that to the social Mesh
C. Allowing interested parties that meet the criteria to find you
D. Quickly create and managed a Premade
E. Fill replacements very quickly

This is so simple, yet Blizzard has never implemented anything like this in game for PvP. Finding Premades for anything is limited to Trade Chat (filled with trolls) or forums, both of which aren't that effectively.

If you want to get home from work and roll an RBG within 5-minutes, good luck. When I was part of a PvP guild that did nothing but Rateds on my old server, it still took way too much time and energy to get it going (even with a weekly schedule). We'd have no shows and have to fill the spots, which would take too much time and the group would fall apart.

[daanji]

In other news, the latest version of oQueue can now queue everyone for Battlegrounds like it did before. Tiny worked extra hard this weekend to devise a work around.

This version is dedicated to Ghostcrawler, in his honor.

http://solidice.com/oqueue/

[Fat Tire]

In other news, the latest version of oQueue can now queue everyone for Battlegrounds like it did before. Tiny worked extra hard this weekend to devise a work around.

This version is dedicated to Ghostcrawler, in his honor.

http://solidice.com/oqueue/

This is not something that we are encouraging, but it is also something that we currently have no realistic way to prevent. That being said, this is something that may change soon, which is why we always advise people to not use any type of add-on designed to circumvent or bend our balancing safeguards... using such add-ons can lead to severe account penalties!

I am curious on how when people talk about botting, wintrading and other means of breaking the eula the posts are deleted yet this thread has been allowed.

[MiRai]

I am curious on how when people talk about botting, wintrading and other means of breaking the eula the posts are deleted yet this thread has been allowed.

I missed the part of the blue post that states such an add-on was against the EULA (such as win-trading or botting), and I think we all know that blue posts have been incorrect before (after all, they're human).

If Blizzard frowns upon something they'll change it like we just witnessed with the latest patch, and oQueue most likely has a limited lifespan at this point because Blizzard will just fix the 'loophole'. As to when they'll get around to doing that is anybody's guess.