Reading that thread...ouch. WoW PVP forum whiners haven't gotten any smarter, that's for sure. "Waaaa! You guys planned better than I did! Nerf planning!"Originally Posted by Oathbreaker
Also interesting to note that it appears the only people really, truly interested in fostering a more entertaining BG environment are multiboxers.
Now playing: WoW (Garona)
There is already a planned BG environment, and it's called rated battlegrounds. The idea behind random battlegrounds is that they are random. Trying to game the random aspect of random battlegrounds is silly. When you participate into random play, you accept a certain handicap on your side and expect a certain handicap on the other side, there is only a limited level of coordination possible with random play (i.e. what is possible through BG chat and what is possible with small groups; but that is clearly not a full premade raid).
It's beyond my mind that people I consider very reasonable from what they tend to post over time on this board. don't seem to understand the concept behind random battlegrounds and rated bg's.
Everything that is fun in life is either bad for your health, immoral or illegal!
Yep, that's the gist of what I got from the blue posts that include words like "roflstomp" and such. As a counterpoint, it surprises me that what seem to be rather obvious fixes to the BG system that people have been requesting for years keep falling on deaf ears, resulting in players being creative in trying to work around the perceived issues. One good example is bots. Bots don't use realID and join premades, for obvious reasons. It must be wholly depressing to look around and realize the other team is 70% premade and yours is 30% bots.
Still, it seems awfully intellectually lazy of Blizzard to just keep nerfing the things people do to make their game more fun instead of just making their game more fun.
Now playing: WoW (Garona)
Indeed. Random Battle grounds are just that - the battle field is random. Sometimes you are faced with 40 AFKers or bots. Other times you are faced with 40-multi-boxed toons. You can't get more random or diverse than that.
Given the fact that premades in Random Battle Grounds represent a very small fraction of games (I'd wager less than 1%), I don't see it as an issue.
I remember that first time I got rolled by a QQ premade (2 years ago on my 5-box shamans). I was shocked by the coordination and capabilities of the team. Sure, it wasn't fun being graveyard camped for the entire match - but made me want to find out more and play on a team of that level. It was a very memorable game for me and I enjoyed each skirmish and each challenge, success, and fail.
Rated Battlegrounds are Garbage for a variety of reasons. I've played them for 2-years single-box. You spend half the time managing the team and the other half waiting on queues that will never pop.
What oQueue does it gives you the capability to
A. Create a Premade (for Randoms, Rated, Dungeon, Raids, whatever)
B. Advertise that to the social Mesh
C. Allowing interested parties that meet the criteria to find you
D. Quickly create and managed a Premade
E. Fill replacements very quickly
This is so simple, yet Blizzard has never implemented anything like this in game for PvP. Finding Premades for anything is limited to Trade Chat (filled with trolls) or forums, both of which aren't that effectively.
If you want to get home from work and roll an RBG within 5-minutes, good luck. When I was part of a PvP guild that did nothing but Rateds on my old server, it still took way too much time and energy to get it going (even with a weekly schedule). We'd have no shows and have to fill the spots, which would take too much time and the group would fall apart.
Last edited by daanji : 12-03-2012 at 01:09 AM
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