BG Queue Assist AddOns

[ebony]

I could see this as a fix to the issue.

However, if they made this change it could mean unintended consequences for muti boxers who like to join together and farm bots and fresh lvl 90s with the occasional coordinated group opponent. I am willing to bet that the premade vs premade queues may be hot to start but fade into never getting queues. Because as a solo player I am guessing randoms are just easier.

Hell blizzard would be able to kill off muti boxers in random bgs also with this change, its a win win for them.

you nailed in on the head and i said this is there plan a few times on this page )from a pvp blog). once they go down this road there is no going back and i can not see many "av" games for us. it be pemades in 10man's thats going to just be as bad as RBG. they might as well go with 5 man RBG's (queing two 5 man groups)


all i know for sure is once they do this whatever they pick. Join as group for any BG will be removed

[MiRai]

I really like this post from another player's perspective:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...20?page=19#369

[candlebox]

Thats basically how i feel on the topic. I enjoying watching invis and his 15 man group, and other 10 man pvp vids...do you not?

I have warned about boxers "Bullying" people /spit /lol to people they kill. I understand there are bots, but the boxing issue is a huge subject. Judging by his attitude from his "Tolerate boxing" speech, I assume this is a direct attack on boxing. My comment to socialism was the snowball effect. It starts with small things, then they work themselves to a big mess. Next you know IWT will go away "Unlikely" or /follow.

People build of hatred after a while. I don't say anything when im in AV usually, and I have been kicked many times.

Also, Im not crazy with my comment, I have lost abbout 35% of my 401k since 08 and its not gaining. I am probably going to pull out and invest in gold. Probably before the tax breaks are lifted jan 1st..

[Ualaa]

There are a lot of free to play games out there.
Not sure if any of them are good or not.
Because Warcraft has offered a fun environment to play in.

But if they remove the ability to queue as a group entirely, what's the point in the game at all?
Aside from the PvE aspect, which has no interest...

Blizzard will do what they want to do...
But Sony did the same with Everquest, until another option came around, and more than half their player base moved.

[Cptan]

Or you can gather a team in RL, talk to investors, and develop your own game using the affordable and powerful game engine available to jump start. You can now set your own rules.

If possible, create the game with boxer in mind.

Not a trivial task of course, but not impossible.

[zenga]

I really like this post from another player's perspective:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...20?page=19#369

He uses a lot of bogus logic while putting everything black/white, for example:

'It is, very frankly, disturbing that you're wagging your finger at players for attempting to play battlegrounds the way they were meant to be played - that being in an organized manner. People actually fighting for objectives instead of out scattered on the road with no care in the world about the outcome of the match.'

You can still get organisation going in random BG's, be it through chat or queue up with a 5m group which can account for half of the team in 10m maps. He acts as if no organisation is the only option from now on. He puts everything as the opposite extreme, while the reality is way more in the middle (as if the only alternative to a full premade is people running around like headless chickens).

During the pre-cataclysm patch they removed the ability to queue up as a raid, with a clear intent. Yet a part of the playerbase used a loophole in the queuing to game that change, claiming that what the system allows is within the rules/spirit of the game. Which is total nonsense (a bug is a bug and an exploit is an exploit).

I enjoying watching invis and his 15 man group, and other 10 man pvp vids...do you not?

I personally do not since I find it one of the saddest things in the game. We all know how boxing works on the technical side, and how much one button spam is involved. Compared to the videos from for example krushpack/ellay who plays 4 toons, I see a massive difference in skill required. But enjoying vs not enjoying is by default a very subjective matter.

My comment to socialism was the snowball effect. It starts with small things, then they work themselves to a big mess.

I guess you confuse socialism with dictatorial communism. Truth is that many of the countries where socialism is a part of the system are far less of a mess than those countries who frown upon socialism.

[EaTCarbS]

He uses a lot of bogus logic while putting everything black/white, for example:

'It is, very frankly, disturbing that you're wagging your finger at players for attempting to play battlegrounds the way they were meant to be played - that being in an organized manner. People actually fighting for objectives instead of out scattered on the road with no care in the world about the outcome of the match.'

You can still get organisation going in random BG's, be it through chat or queue up with a 5m group which can account for half of the team in 10m maps. He acts as if no organisation is the only option from now on. He puts everything as the opposite extreme, while the reality is way more in the middle (as if the only alternative to a full premade is people running around like headless chickens).

During the pre-cataclysm patch they removed the ability to queue up as a raid, with a clear intent. Yet a part of the playerbase used a loophole in the queuing to game that change, claiming that what the system allows is within the rules/spirit of the game. Which is total nonsense (a bug is a bug and an exploit is an exploit).

In no part of that post does Xexyz say that a premade is the only way to have organization in pvp.

Thanks for the daily dose of irony.

[MiRai]

He uses a lot of bogus logic while putting everything black/white, for example:

'It is, very frankly, disturbing that you're wagging your finger at players for attempting to play battlegrounds the way they were meant to be played - that being in an organized manner. People actually fighting for objectives instead of out scattered on the road with no care in the world about the outcome of the match.'

You can still get organisation going in random BG's, be it through chat or queue up with a 5m group which can account for half of the team in 10m maps. He acts as if no organisation is the only option from now on. He puts everything as the opposite extreme, while the reality is way more in the middle (as if the only alternative to a full premade is people running around like headless chickens).

During the pre-cataclysm patch they removed the ability to queue up as a raid, with a clear intent. Yet a part of the playerbase used a loophole in the queuing to game that change, claiming that what the system allows is within the rules/spirit of the game. Which is total nonsense (a bug is a bug and an exploit is an exploit).

All I did was link the post because I thought it might be a good read. If you have anything to say to the poster you're more than welcome to grab a US account and post your rebuttal in that particular thread.

[zenga]

In no part of that post does Xexyz say that a premade is the only way to have organization in pvp.

Thanks for the daily dose of irony.

The point was that he compares extremes. e.g in the part that I quoted he says that blizzard is wagging a finger at organisation in random bgs, jumping from no longer being able to queue as a full premade (the topic) to concluding that they don't want organisation in a random bg is plain stupid and short-sighted, And he backs that conclusion up with an image where he links premades (organisation) to fighting for objectives vs fighting on the road. Like I said, the reality is far from the extremes he uses.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

I really like this post from another player's perspective:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...20?page=19#369

Lot of stuff in there I agree with.

Bottom line, though: Blizzard has shown a penchant for "fixing" symptoms that highlight the real flaws in the system rather than spending the honest effort to fix the flaws themselves. Seems like it's been that way since the original dev team moved on, at any rate.