WCRadio - Octale & Hordak vs the World - Antiboxer email

[Eteocles]

I dunno it didn't seem that bad lol; yeah, he thinks it's silly, but that's his right to think, he's not saying we're wrong, just weird. That's the main thing we wanted was that it's not something "wrong", just different, dislike it all ya want that's yer right but alot of us enjoy it and alot of non-boxers are interested as well just as there's plenty of idiots who think they're all literally clones of the same char or bots etc lol

I'd say it ended on a relatively fair note, he doesn't have to like it and he did tell his audience to not fuck around with us in irresponsible ways, we're still players just silly etc :p

And an extra note...Octale & Hordak're known for their "Hatorade" so it's not exactly an information show to begin with, just arguments and discussion with the entertainment and we had that ;) (I still <3 Max Speed & Vendor Trash more though, sorry Octale >P)

[thinus]

I'd say it ended on a relatively fair note, he doesn't have to like it and he did tell his audience to not fuck around with us in irresponsible ways, we're still players just silly etc

Oh, by all means, please do fuck around with us.

[Samuel L. Jackson]
There's a passage I got memorized. Ezekiel 25:17. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you. I been sayin' that shit for years. And if you ever heard it, it meant your ass. I never really questioned what it meant. I thought it was just a cold-blooded thing to say to a motherfucker before you popped a cap in his ass. But I saw some shit this mornin' made me think twice. Now I'm thinkin': it could mean you're the evil man. And I'm the righteous man. And Mr. 9mm here, he's the shepherd protecting my righteous ass in the valley of darkness. Or it could be you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. I'd like that.

But that shit ain't the truth. The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be a shepherd.
[/Samuel L. Jackson]

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fucking major rofl

[Ðeceased]

Hokay just wanted to throw something into the mix.

I haven't listened to your broadcast nor have I any inclination to do so.
I don't particularly care about the opinions of those bashing or otherwise trying to harm this community (I'm not specifying you here btw, just ppl in general).
What we do is legal and thus we are fully entitled to do it. Others are also fully entitled to say what they like about me or others like me. All depending on the medium of communication and the parameters and conditions allowed by said medium (the forum administrators own perception of right or wrong on this webby for instance).

on to this discussion however and those that do follow your broadcasts..

As stated I do not listen to your broadcasts, but to argue a point, seemingly relevant, and an obvious concern of fellow boxers, I would like to state the following.

I for one welcome you to the forums, I admire your courage in treading unfamiliar and potentially hostile ground to clarify your position. As every other person you are entitled to your position and can say whatever you please about us (again subject to our beloved admins or your own, on your site).
I appreciate that you want to appear neutral on the grounds of it's legality, skill etc and hold your own opinions on whether on not someone if foolish/etc for doing something like this. You are fully entitled to that opinion.
My concern however is that you appear to be expecting this community to welcome insults with open arms. The truth is, we may respect your right to say and think what you like, but we (at least me) do not respect any insults.

Often used statements such as the.. "I'm sorry, but..." or "...No offence", when a statement is clearly meant offensively is no excuse and no justification for any such slander or insult.

Again I am only going on what I've read, so please ignore and disregard this, if it is not applicable to your broadcast. It is merely meant to explain my own and likely some other boxers position on this matter.

[Basilikos]

I'll try to boil things down even further (and maybe concede a little ground for the sake of furthering discussion). IMO, Octale has presented two very different faces inside this thread and I'm not really sure which is the context his other messages / communications / whatever ought to be considered.

[Bigfish]

You know, I think everyone just needs to stop getting their panties in a knot over this. Yeah, it sucks when someone with a media outlet goes on a tirade. However, he came here, he tried to clear things up, he admited he shouldn't have blasted the community the way he did, and from what I gather the subject is more or less done with on the show unless Vyndree wants to make an appearance.

The way this community is responding isn't exactly putting us in the best light either. It seems we got a nice chunk of folks here who like to play the martyr card. Hell, its almsot like we have our own "forum watch" going on and every time a thread gets posted on the wow boards someone links it here. Every time someone says something in game, we cap the conversation and post it. A lot of people also have this attitude that we're better than everyone else because we do what we do.

At the end of the day, who really cares what Octale thinks or does on his show? He doesn't like multiboxing, big whoop. A LOT of people don't like it for one reason or another. So long as he's not openly telling people to harrass us in game, i don't really care what he has to say.

[Eteocles]

In the case of this thread, it was posted as an awareness thing; some non-blizz/whiner publicity(and there's no such thing as bad publicity)

In the case of screencapping convos and linking to wow forum threads, those are purely for entertainment purposes; I personally love laughing at what would be, if not for modern reasons, victims of natural selection.

[Knytestorme]

A lot of people also have this attitude that we're better than everyone else because we do what we do.

And for the most part we are. There are currently ~10 mill players in WoW, out of them I'd put people liek Ellay, Vyndree, Suvega, Veronika and others pretty much behind those people that worked initial strats for raid instances in terms of game skill with regards to mechanics, theorycrafting and execution and I'd put just about every other serious multiboxer not too far behind them...but fuck yes we are better than just about everyone else that plays WoW because of what we do.

At the end of the day, who really cares what Octale thinks or does on his show? He doesn't like multiboxing, big whoop. A LOT of people don't like it for one reason or another. So long as he's not openly telling people to harrass us in game, i don't really care what he has to say.

At the end of the day I still will have absolutely no clue who either of them are or if they have acheived anything of substance in WoW (and doubt it since I had never heard of them before this blowup at any decent site like FoH, Ej, etc) and I could give two fucks what they think about multiboxing or multiboxers in regards to it being legal or not. What I do care about is them going on their show and proceeding to disparage and insinuate that all multiboxers are cheats, then come here and pretend to apologize while calling us fools.

If he was serious he'd have come here, apolgized to Vyndree for not getting her email (like anyone actually believes that anyway...hey, let's go there now it's been over a month and claim we never got it) and said something along the lines of "well I disagree with multiboxing, but Blizzard approves it so while it's not for me..good luck to you all andenjoy your games", that's it..simple, states he doesn't like it but doesn't personally insult every person here at the same time as he is supposedly apologizing.

[NevadaGuy]

Let it go guys, sheesh.

[Ðeceased]

You know, I think everyone just needs to stop getting their panties in a knot over this. Yeah, it sucks when someone with a media outlet goes on a tirade. However, he came here, he tried to clear things up, he admited he shouldn't have blasted the community the way he did, and from what I gather the subject is more or less done with on the show unless Vyndree wants to make an appearance.

The way this community is responding isn't exactly putting us in the best light either. It seems we got a nice chunk of folks here who like to play the martyr card. Hell, its almsot like we have our own "forum watch" going on and every time a thread gets posted on the wow boards someone links it here. Every time someone says something in game, we cap the conversation and post it. A lot of people also have this attitude that we're better than everyone else because we do what we do.

At the end of the day, who really cares what Octale thinks or does on his show? He doesn't like multiboxing, big whoop. A LOT of people don't like it for one reason or another. So long as he's not openly telling people to harrass us in game, i don't really care what he has to say.

Personally, I would like to know if something is being said about me (not necessarily me personally but you know what i mean), so I approve of those linking the threads.

As for our attitude towards others.. In light of someone being presented with hard facts, numerous times, and still claiming it to be against ToS or whatever they may think it is going against, then yes, MY attitude towards them changes in a flash.. not because I am a mboxer and they are not, but simply because they are often ignorant, stubborn and some other adjectives i neither care to use nor have any clue what they mean.. :P
This type of person is often flamed by hundreds of players not necessarily just the mboxing community.

Your observations highlight something tho.. the reason why in almost every single thread it appears as tho we take the snob approach and seem to look down on ppl, is because 99% of the time these threads are nothing but a whine, posted by alts or ppl that make absolutly no sense (that 1% is there.. somewhere.. and when found it usually results in a semi constructive and informative thread).
It is also a huge reflection however on one particular fact. Those that understand Blizz's stance on mboxing, or the reasons ppl mbox, or whatever.. and still dislike it, tend not to post.. at all! meaning the majority of posts we reply to are those of, for lack of a more politically correct work, idiots, who believe everything we do is a bannable offence, and that we should be heckled and insulted for it. It is those ppl I have no time for and feel nearly justified in thinking myself better then them (I stress nearly - I don't as a general rule - may be my downfall because I tend to think everyone has something worthwhile to say).

I give credit where credit is due, and none where none is due.

Knyte might think he's better then everyone else tho ^^

oh and PS Knyte: I think Vyn said the first email had bounced, so I don't think it's a case of him making stuff up