Dev Watercooler: MoP PVP

[Fat Tire]

well, i went back to just focus on gearing 2 toons now. Playing 5s solo is not worth it. I win more in actual "dual" boxing than 5 box now.

Welcome to the club.

I started off doing this at the beginning of cata, I must have played several hundred 2s games overall. I eventually grabbed a dedicated healer for 3s and then moved to playing all three triple dps at the end of cata. So far in mist triple dps isnt working as well as in cata, but cleave with dedicated healer is working decent enough for now.

[remanz]

2s are pretty competitive. Double DPS in 2s can't simply tunnel to 1500+ . Not much I can do to those druid + warrior teams, I am still practicing. Faced some double enchances teams (not boxed), enhance definitely looks good. Not squishy at all, at least in 2s they are not. Beat my Frost DK + Ret by simply melee treating CDs. I probably shouldn't go toe to toe with enhances with double ascendance. My Frost DK dies within ascendance 15 seconds (BOP purged). and one shaman is at 10% hp. For those who have shamans, do try out enhance, I think it is a better option than elemental.

[Fat Tire]

2s are pretty competitive. Double DPS in 2s can't simply tunnel to 1500+ . Not much I can do to those druid + warrior teams, I am still practicing. Faced some double enchances teams (not boxed), enhance definitely looks good. Not squishy at all, at least in 2s they are not. Beat my Frost DK + Ret by simply melee treating CDs. I probably shouldn't go toe to toe with enhances with double ascendance. My Frost DK dies within ascendance 15 seconds (BOP purged). and one shaman is at 10% hp. For those who have shamans, do try out enhance, I think it is a better option than elemental.

DK-Ret is not as good as it was in cata. DK has issues and the biggest issue I have found is it cant peel at all, you have grip and chains and rw takes too long to use as a peel. Using chains is a dps loss though and relying on killing machine for any dps sucks ass. Praying to the rng gods for a KM proc at the right time and then praying again for a 100k obi is just not worth it. I cant imagine trying to box more than 1 dk with all the randomness of KM/Obi rng. Soul reaper is useless in arena, I would rather spend the runes on an obi than that pos execute.

[remanz]

DK-Ret is not as good as it was in cata. DK has issues and the biggest issue I have found is it cant peel at all, you have grip and chains and rw takes too long to use as a peel. Using chains is a dps loss though and relying on killing machine for any dps sucks ass. Praying to the rng gods for a KM proc at the right time and then praying again for a 100k obi is just not worth it. I cant imagine trying to box more than 1 dk with all the randomness of KM/Obi rng. Soul reaper is useless in arena, I would rather spend the runes on an obi than that pos execute.

I also tried double warriors, it did not perform better than DK + Ret for me. I will probably try double rets next. Grip was like the only reason for me to play DK as it might get my target out of position in some occasion to land a kill. DK + Ret was like a legacy setup for me coming down from 5s. Going to try more stuff. I am interested in double ferals and double enhances as well.

EDIT: just read it that off spec healing, (hybrids like Ret/Enhance/Shadow/Balance) are getting nerfed in 5.1. So PVP power might go towards just damage for them. In that case, Double Rets, Feral, or enhances might not be so attractive anymore.

[remanz]

btw
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...-cap-increase/

To help everyone keep up with the upcoming system in 5.1 that will allow you to upgrade your Conquest gear with Conquest Points, a hotfix is being implemented very soon that will raise the Conquest Point caps:

At 1500 rating, the Arena Conquest Cap will now be 1800 (up from 1350), while the Rated Battleground Conquest cap will be 2200 (up from 1650). As always, when your rating increases, so will your cap.


Plan accordingly!

More motivation, I can't even break 1500 by myself right now, how sad

[valkry]

2s are pretty competitive. Double DPS in 2s can't simply tunnel to 1500+ . Not much I can do to those druid + warrior teams, I am still practicing. Faced some double enchances teams (not boxed), enhance definitely looks good. Not squishy at all, at least in 2s they are not. Beat my Frost DK + Ret by simply melee treating CDs. I probably shouldn't go toe to toe with enhances with double ascendance. My Frost DK dies within ascendance 15 seconds (BOP purged). and one shaman is at 10% hp. For those who have shamans, do try out enhance, I think it is a better option than elemental.

They don't need to purge BoP during ascendance, all of the enhancement's dmg becomes nature dmg does it not? Only thing they would need to purge it for would be if they have wolves out at that time too...

[Shodokan]

btw
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/2...-cap-increase/

To help everyone keep up with the upcoming system in 5.1 that will allow you to upgrade your Conquest gear with Conquest Points, a hotfix is being implemented very soon that will raise the Conquest Point caps:

At 1500 rating, the Arena Conquest Cap will now be 1800 (up from 1350), while the Rated Battleground Conquest cap will be 2200 (up from 1650). As always, when your rating increases, so will your cap.


Plan accordingly!

More motivation, I can't even break 1500 by myself right now, how sad

Well that makes it slightly better and easier to reach the 3k ish maximum cap per week.

25 weeks @ 1800
20 weeks @ 2200

[Fat Tire]

Well that makes it slightly better and easier to reach the 3k ish maximum cap per week.

25 weeks @ 1800
20 weeks @ 2200

I can deal with that. Now just lower the amount of wins it takes to reach the cap and I will be a happy camper.

[Kruschpakx4]

They don't need to purge BoP during ascendance, all of the enhancement's dmg becomes nature dmg does it not?

you need to purge it because its still a melee attack, like frost strike also doesnt ignore bop

[remanz]

well , purging bop was secondary. main thing was the 2 enhances were going toe to toe against my dk + ret with all CDs on both sides. With wolves up, my DK hp drops hella faster than the shamans. I will fraps some 2s matches when I have something worthy of showing. Right now, its just stun DPS -> silence on healer -> tunnel the DPS -> pray the DPS dies, and hope the healer doesn't have a clue. I tried to play 3 dps in 3s. Its not working too well. Added burst on my side is offset by added CC by the other side. Most people know how to peel in 3s now.