Dev Watercooler: MoP PVP

[valkry]

looks like hunter is already fixed (nerfed)

• Stampede Pets summoned into the Arena, Rated Battlegrounds, and Wargames will now do the correct amount of damage.

rumor has it it was not factoring in resilience for damage for the pets. Now it does. So it is like a 50% damage nerf.

Stampede isn't the only problem with BM hunters. If that's the only change, they are still going to rape.

[remanz]

BW Immune to CC removal on the pet is 5.1 I think. Stampede is now. Lynx rush also 50% down in 5.1. I don't think BM hunters can rape anymore. Though Mark/Survival might

[heyaz]

There are a whole crapload more changes as of yesterday, posted on mmo-champion.com Somes nerfs and buffs all over. Still not a single word about Shaman though. I don't know if they've got a plan, or think shaman are in a good place or what. I've played my shaman solo and it's still the worst class/spec in pvp at the moment, and the wow community seems to agree. Not a whole lot has changed on DK's though, which is a pretty popular multiboxing comp at the moment. Frost DK's are still topping damage in most BGs though, reminds me of Cata.

Overall I'm mostly just seeing some nerfs here and there to abilities on overpowered classes but not much to address stacking cooldowns and CC's. When I saw the new talent trees in beta I something bad may happen - but not to this extent. When you give some classes multiple AOE cc's, multiple shadowstep/recklessness/ice veins/etc. etc. type cooldowns plus a god mode cooldown that can all be used at once... seriously what did they expect? What it looked like at first: ok you can have this crazy CD, but you lose this, you can have this defensive ability, but you lose this. What it actually played like: you can have most of them at the same time as any spec, use them at the same time and they're off the GCD. Have fun!

[Kruschpakx4]

I've played my shaman solo and it's still the worst class/spec in pvp at the moment, and the wow community seems to agree.

10/28 numbers:

Warrior: 358 = 20.19%
Hunter: 277 = 15.62%
Paladin: 238 = 13.42%
Shaman: 221 = 12.46%
Druid: 209 = 11.79%
Priest: 164 = 9.25%
Mage: 161 = 9.08%
Warlock: 58 = 3.27%
DK: 52 = 2.93%
Rogue: 18 = 1.02%
Monk: 17 = 0.96%

Total : 1773

With warrior and hunter nerfs I dont think blizzard should buff shamans, resto and enhancement is pretty good atm, and this team plays elemental/shadow/holy, I'd like to see some ele buffs but I think its not going to happen, rather hope for shockwave and other cc nerfs, 5.1 looks really good so far, especially with cataclysm removed

[zenga]

, and this team plays elemental/shadow/holy, I'd like to see some ele buffs

Thing is, he is the only ele that does it that good, but taking all crap going on in the past season into account, I really have my reservations if it's all legit. I haven't seen a game from them on stream/youtube, and he remains the only one that is successful as ele.

That being said I kinda have hope that there will be a dmg increase for ele in 4.1. My reasoning is that with the start of this raiding tier ele was really good, but as everyone gets more gear (i.e. dotclasses reaching haste caps) they are leaving ele behind on a good amount of fights. And that will only get worse with more heroic raiding gear. They could easily buff the lightning bolt part of shamanism without increasing ele's burst during ascendance. And that's my guess.

Unless there are bigger changes to come and that that is why there are little to none ele changes in the ptr patch notes so far.

My fear is that they'll nerf resto's in ways that will impact eles (like at the start of cataclysm). And worst case scenario is a nerf to hybrids with pvp power, and without defensive buffs that would be a complete catastrophe for eles (though its a needed nerf for spriests).

[heyaz]

You didn't break it down by spec but:

Shaman: 221 = 12.46%

Is mostly resto. I meant ele is the worst pvp spec at the moment. And a gladiator R1/R2 guy pulling off elemental in his 3s with other players his skill level... doesn't really change my mind

[valkry]

You didn't break it down by spec but:



Is mostly resto. I meant ele is the worst pvp spec at the moment. And a gladiator R1/R2 guy pulling off elemental in his 3s with other players his skill level... doesn't really change my mind

That 3s team doesn't surprise me. Just wait for trinkets to be burned, at least double fear, and that's when to pop ascendance. Ele shams get basically 1 chance every 3 mins to make a "god mode burst" kill. part of the skill of arenas is knowing when to pop cds. Popping ascendance + EM just before a war charges + gag order on you will wreck all your chances, and that comes with experience and addons to tell you when their abilities are off cd.

But yea, most shams in high rated teams are resto, and that's because resto is really powerful atm. Ele is not

[Fat Tire]

10/28 numbers:



With warrior and hunter nerfs I dont think blizzard should buff shamans, resto and enhancement is pretty good atm, and this team plays elemental/shadow/holy, I'd like to see some ele buffs but I think its not going to happen, rather hope for shockwave and other cc nerfs, 5.1 looks really good so far, especially with cataclysm removed

You wont see a shockwave nerf. They nerfed war fear to 90 secs from 60, Avatar and gag order. They wont touch shockwave because then they would need to change dragons roar and bladestorm and adjust pve for prot.

Damage outside of cooldowns is too low, however cooldowns is what wins games at the moment.

[Kruschpakx4]

"Shockwave, Avatar, and Recklessness are also mentioned a lot, and we’re looking at them as well."

as long as people keep complaining, they might nerf it and to be honest shockwave is really retarded because an aoe stun shouldnt do that much damage, either nerf damage or stun duration in pvp

[Fat Tire]

"Shockwave, Avatar, and Recklessness are also mentioned a lot, and we’re looking at them as well."

as long as people keep complaining, they might nerf it and to be honest shockwave is really retarded because an aoe stun shouldnt do that much damage, either nerf damage or stun duration in pvp

That quote certainly doesnt mean a nerf to shockwave is coming. People complain about mutiboxing.....as long as people keep complaining.....

I personally dont have an issue with shockwave.