Here we go again..

[heyaz]

Did they revert Lichborne to the WotLK version?

In Wrath, it would break Fear.
In Cata, it made me immune but would not break an already applied fear.

whaat? In cata, lichborne broke an already applied fear, I'm positive of that... I solo boxed a DK main the entire expansion. What it doesn't break is a horror, i.e. priest disarm/fear thingy and death coil, those had to be trinketed.

[Palee]

Problem with this is that you will lose most BG's doing so. In any of the 15 player BG's, a smart team will just avoid you and capture the objectives you're not at. Even 5 boxing, you're handicapping your team a bit unless people are organized and don't follow you around.

I've never had an issue 5boxing melee Vs. ranged classes. DK's have grip/chains and paladins have emancipate/HoF. I also decided to play my Paladins with a disc priest with mass dispel to help with this. Emancipate is awesome!

If I wanted to win small scale BGs I wouldn't 10 box. I want to dominate large scale PVP, be it AV, IoC, raiding cities.
By no means I'm not planning to play 10 or 15 people BGs. Or if I do it will be just to kill a lot, not to win.
This winning concept is so deeply ingrained in our brains that anything else cannot be fun.
For example for me it's a lot more fun to kill 600 players in AV and cause a massive turtle than to win. And ironically when I do get 600 kills in AV I also win.
With a 5 box you can't defend your general in AV. Unless they are retards or undergeared.

[Ualaa]

whaat? In cata, lichborne broke an already applied fear, I'm positive of that... I solo boxed a DK main the entire expansion. What it doesn't break is a horror, i.e. priest disarm/fear thingy and death coil, those had to be trinketed.

When the four DK's were sent at a Priest, Warlock or Warrior without activating Lichborne...
Or when one of those classes made a bee-line for the team...

Lichborne was useless, to end the fear effect.
I'm assuming they were using Howl of Terror, Psychic Scream or the Warrior Shout.
Unless those three classes have an AoE Horror effect.

Activating the ability, anytime I attacked a group that included one of those classes, my team did not scatter.

[Apatheist]

This winning concept is so deeply ingrained in our brains that anything else cannot be fun..

True enough, but that's WoW for you. It's a gear based game with finite objectives. If I wanted meaningful PvP on a larger scale, I'd be playing something like Eve or SB, I guess.

I suppose most of the reason I don't get it is that I just don't find turtle-ing in AV or camping some city particularly entertaining. That's just a preference thing.

[Shodokan]

Did they revert Lichborne to the WotLK version?

In Wrath, it would break Fear.
In Cata, it made me immune but would not break an already applied fear.

It broke fear in cata.

Also will have to test glyphed pillar as a trinket but from the wording it doesn't say it removes CC, just makes you immune for duration of you standing still IIRC.

[Ualaa]

Tim uses the glyphed Pillar of Frost with the macro in his streams.
I've not seen him stream MoP, but through WotLK and Cata it was a one-minute trinket.

[Multibocks]

Isn't that glyph the one that roots you? Seems terrible for PvP.

[heyaz]

Isn't that glyph the one that roots you? Seems terrible for PvP.

/cancelaura right after

[Multibocks]

So then you lose the 15% strength buff? Seems kind of wasteful.

[heyaz]

So then you lose the 15% strength buff? Seems kind of wasteful.

Yes, but the strength buff is worthless if you're cc'd. It's a tradeoff I guess, because pillar of frost also protects against knockbacks and death grip... I guess if you popped it with AMZ and IBF you would be immune to all CC.

In cata or wrath I'd say no way, in this expansion where everyone has an aoe disorient, stun, etc. you're gonna need that protection. and will of the forsaken probably since priests can fear you 30 times