Here we go again..

[Ualaa]

Depends...

On the one hand you have 15% strength and immunity to knockback.
Plus you can glyph something different.
When you don't need to break the CC on your toon/team, this is the way to go.

On the other hand, you have a PvP trinket on a one minute cooldown.
Which does not use up your ability to click your two minute trinket; alternatively, because you have a one minute trinket, you could equip two DPS trinkets...
When your team is CC'd and unable to do jack, the knockback immunity and extra strength is pretty useless.
This does cost you, one of your three Major Glyphs.

I think I'll play around with the glyph and isboxer.
Step 1, Pillar of Frost.
Step 2, Cancelaura Pillar of Frost.
Reset to Step 1, fifteen seconds from first press.
That way, I can take advantage of the immunity to everything for 15 seconds and still end it at will, to negate the root effect.

[Shodokan]

Yes, but the strength buff is worthless if you're cc'd. It's a tradeoff I guess, because pillar of frost also protects against knockbacks and death grip... I guess if you popped it with AMZ and IBF you would be immune to all CC.

In cata or wrath I'd say no way, in this expansion where everyone has an aoe disorient, stun, etc. you're gonna need that protection. and will of the forsaken probably since priests can fear you 30 times

20% str + cds popped = your oblits HIT for 60k.

Not worth giving up IMO.

[Multibocks]

Yeah I understand that if you are CCd you don't do any damage, but the burst you lose is insane. If you can't burst you can't get that kill and then really you can only do pressure, which isn't a boxers strong point.

[Shodokan]

PVP in general right now is fucked. 5's is more unbalanced than ever IMO.

I honestly am not sure any boxing comp is viable to super high ratings this season. I'm likely going back to single boxing.

[heyaz]

I know that feel bro. PVP is a bit broken overall, for sure. As this thread started with ele shaman and how tragically gimp they are (not just in comparison to the OP classes, but overall)... I wanted to go back to this:

This was me 3-4 months After wotlk was released. Brand new to shaman pvp, I'm 1-2 tiers behind the current pvp gear, still in some pve and lvl 80 quest junk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxBLhlxii68

FS+LVB overkills. Chain lightning globals. Forgetting that it was a mediocre game and most people weren't fully epicced in s5, it actually felt like I had four ele shaman.

In MoP I was in 90 BGs about 12 days after release. I feel like I'm playing one of my wotlk shaman. When I'm not cc'd and dead.

Arenas, I've only done a handful but essentially - one shaman explodes instantly, healer cc'd, others die. Games 15 seconds. I think I got a lava burst off in one game... haha

[Lyonheart]

Arenas, I've only done a handful but essentially - one shaman explodes instantly, healer cc'd, others die. Games 15 seconds. I think I got a lava burst off in one game... haha

What classes are killing you so fast? IF some classes are killing you so fast, include them in a future team? I'm no PvP expert, I do it for fun and could care less about titles. For me, if my shammies suck in PvP and i could rarely kill anyone.. i would pick a class that could.. even if i don't win.. i want to be able to see people die lol.


I understand the argument of this thread though, hard to find a "viable 5 boxed team" I bet someone will figure it out though. And it is still early, things could change for the better 8)

[heyaz]

What classes are killing you so fast? IF some classes are killing you so fast, include them in a future team? I'm no PvP expert, I do it for fun and could care less about titles. For me, if my shammies suck in PvP and i could rarely kill anyone.. i would pick a class that could.. even if i don't win.. i want to be able to see people die lol.

I understand the argument of this thread though, hard to find a "viable 5 boxed team" I bet someone will figure it out though. And it is still early, things could change for the better 8)

Warriors, ret paladins, mages, shadow priests are the worst I believe. BM hunters aren't as big of a problem as I expected them to be. I usually have them popping deterrence and on the defensive early. Other classes don't even have to bother with that.

It's not just that multiboxing elemental isn't even remotely viable right now, elemental in general is not viable right now. Take a look at the wow forums and it's flooded with threads about how elemental isn't just underpowered, it's pathetic. Full dreadful + 2-3 pieces malevolent and you're looking at 30k lavaburst crits. Pop a few CDs and unleash elements and maybe 45k. This is against players with 330-350k hp.

We all have limited energy and time and trust me if it were as easy as single boxing and grabbing one of my existing 85s or even 80s and jumping up to 90 in 2 days, I'd hop right on the OP bandwagon. It's quite a grind to pull another 4-5 toons up to 90 and pray that they're viable.

[Lyonheart]

Warriors, ret paladins, mages, shadow priests are the worst I believe. BM hunters aren't as big of a problem as I expected them to be. I usually have them popping deterrence and on the defensive early. Other classes don't even have to bother with that.

It's not just that multiboxing elemental isn't even remotely viable right now, elemental in general is not viable right now. Take a look at the wow forums and it's flooded with threads about how elemental isn't just underpowered, it's pathetic. Full dreadful + 2-3 pieces malevolent and you're looking at 30k lavaburst crits. Pop a few CDs and unleash elements and maybe 45k. This is against players with 330-350k hp.

We all have limited energy and time and trust me if it were as easy as single boxing and grabbing one of my existing 85s or even 80s and jumping up to 90 in 2 days, I'd hop right on the OP bandwagon. It's quite a grind to pull another 4-5 toons up to 90 and pray that they're viable.

If they are truly that underpowered, i'm 100% sure Bliz will buff them...

[Ualaa]

Just adding up the numbers...
My ten box team (8 shaman, 2 heals) might not one-shot an AFK opponent, with all cooldowns used.
Eight toons casting the same thing (your strongest spell, with specials/cooldowns), should one-shot anything; it is eight toons.

[cmeche]

Not to mention ice block, bubble, deflection, reflect damage...... And prob a whole lot more that I don't know enough about. So many classes can just pop a cool down and negate any burst.