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    Default 5 Warlocks, is it viable at 90?

    So I'm setting up a 5 Warlock team and I'm wondering if it's actually viable at 90? It'd seem with all the burst damage they have it'd work pretty well. I'm leaning more towards destruction, primarily because I haven't played the other specs much. I think the strength of Conflgarate, Fel Flame, and Rain of Fire all being instant casts you'd have some great burst potential. That's not even including the short cast times on Incinerate, and the burst potential of Chaos Bolt. So what am I missing here?

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    Viable for what? Ebony has been running 5 destruction warlocks since beta. She's done some dungeon stuff and pvp.
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    Five warlocks could work, but four warlocks and a healer is a strong option too.

    If you're interested in PvP, five of the same might be the best.
    Although a healer gets you the option to ressurrect, should you survive on some of your toons.
    The warlocks can Soul Stone, which is like a battle rez.

    If you're interested in PvE, and 5-man content..
    You'll likely want a healer capable toon and a tank capable toon.
    That doesn't mean you need to be in those specs, but being able to spec in those directions lets you use Dungeon Finder.

    Warlocks can play as a dot class (Affliction).
    They can play as a pet class (Demonology), with limited tanking ability via glyph.
    They can play as a nuke class (Destruction).

    They have Healthstones and Soulstones.
    They can Drain Life to heal.
    Affliction has more heals then the other specs.
    You can distribute damage partially to your pet with Soul Link.

    I like the class, but am not sure what you want to do with them.
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    For PvP primarily. Hmmm....not too many videos out there, I guess I'll have to venture out into un-treaded waters. In theory everything looks solid though. Maybe Ebony could chime in with some of her experiences? Or anybody else with 5 warlock experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsircou View Post
    For PvP primarily. Hmmm....not too many videos out there, I guess I'll have to venture out into un-treaded waters. In theory everything looks solid though. Maybe Ebony could chime in with some of her experiences? Or anybody else with 5 warlock experience.
    DISCLAIMER: I haven't played a lock personally since early Cataclysm.

    5 locks have always been pretty squishy. Furthermore, except for a specialized destruction build, they just don't have the burst to kill anyone protected by a healer (I chased a resto shammy once all the way from Tarren Mill to Southshore with 3 stacks of dots on him and he just dropped totems and healed through everything. And that was back when resto shams sucked.)

    If your real question was "Are 5 locks faceroll in pvp?" The answer is no, and they never have been. They do shine in certain cases. Ebola's mid-air DoT kills were hilarious to watch. And classes that couldn't heal were pretty much dogmeat.
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    I don't really see any reason not to add one healer to a PvP setup. Damage is nice, but I find my burst goes down quite a lot when I'm dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
    Damage is nice, but I find my burst goes down quite a lot when I'm dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apatheist View Post
    I don't really see any reason not to add one healer to a PvP setup. Damage is nice, but I find my burst goes down quite a lot when I'm dead.
    LOL nice

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    The drawback to a healer on a PvP team, is that they're focused.
    So you need a degree of survivability.

    Less so in world/battleground play, where things are hectic.
    And more so, in arena where it is five vs five.
    But still, the healer (or different class) will get extra attention.

    A Paladin as your healer can be a good choice, because you have three basic cooldowns.
    Bubble is a survivability cooldown and Devotion Aura (previously Aura Mastery) will let you cast without interruptions.
    All other class cooldowns go onto the "big button", which massively increases your healing through-put.
    I also put the healer trinket on a separate keybind from the others, which has helped a lot.

    If your characters are Destro Locks, they'll be standing and casting.
    Which means a healer who stands and heals will work.
    If you spec into Affliction and stay on the move, a more mobile healer (Priest/Druid) might be a better choice.



    The flip side is, if you can survive without a healer, then you have a lot more DPS which means you need healing less.
    The caveat is, can you survive without the healer?

    My 5x Ferals had enough healing through Leader of the Pack and/or 5x Lifebloom/Rejuvenation.
    They also had Predatory Swiftness, approximately once every ten seconds of combat against a single target.
    The team did not need a dedicated healer for questing or battlegrounds; I don't imagine it would have worked that well in arena though.
    By having five DPS, they were able to defeat quest mobs in Cataclysm that the 4x DK/1x Paladin team could not defeat; the Baron Geddon, in Mount Hyjal, was the only boss they couldn't "kill" while ignoring quest items that weaken the mob.
    Conversely, the 4x DK/1x Paladin died on three other mobs that the Druids had no issue with.

    So what survival, or self healing options do 5x Warlocks have?
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    Is it enough survival/healing, to outlast opponents with your 25% increased DPS (5/4 = 125% of 4/4 =100%).
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    Self-healing isn't reliable, the character will be interrupted and CC'd during a switch. Rets can cross heal fairly well, but it's still not consistent.

    Having bad teams focus your healer will win you games, you hope that's what they'll do One of the reasons DK's are so good in arena is their ability to peel. Warlocks may be almost as good with their instant fear, silence, etc.

    Not having a healer just seems silly to me. Between LOS/CC/Interrupts, you're not going to be able to burst anyone down on a caster team. No healer just means the other team can sit back and pick you apart.

    In BG's, it's already horrible getting a queue with no healers. You're doing a service to yourself and the rest of the team by bringing one.

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