Anyone tried arena yet ?

[Owltoid]

There is an analysis on elitistjerks that describes why resil increases in value the more you have. I believe pvp power always stays linear but is theoretically second to resil. For boxers the priority is different due to reliance on focused burst to overcome our significant disadvantages (ie pvp power is probably the best as the alpha strike determines games)

[Shodokan]

There is an analysis on elitistjerks that describes why resil increases in value the more you have. I believe pvp power always stays linear but is theoretically second to resil. For boxers the priority is different due to reliance on focused burst to overcome our significant disadvantages (ie pvp power is probably the best as the alpha strike determines games)

Pretty sure the post on EJ, AJ, MMO and a few other sites are all the same thing that I linked.

[remanz]

I got some 5s matches in. Keep getting BM hunters x N + Warriors (4 - N) + Healer combos. These guys are unbeatable for now, not just for boxing teams obviously. Even a normal team faces them, if you are not BM + warriors, you are probably not gonna win. They don't need to CC , just faceroll.

[heyaz]

ew...

[Nikita]

remanz, try to precast healing rain before they engage. Then do AS, HTT and hex. After hex is up, purge em. Then do your thing.

[remanz]

oh , i would if i have 4 shamans :P. I run a melee zerg team with dk and rets. Not a good sign for me when they blow my team up faster than I can blow up 1 target. I think shamans can do better in this case with a more defensive strategy

[heyaz]

You play all 5? No dedicated healer I'm guessing?

[zenga]

It stacks decently well... but the other person's information shows that pvp power and resil actually come to a point where you deal more damage % than the reduced amount should allow (Should only do 40% damage but does 54% etc)

That is only true for warriors who DW 2H and humans (and obviously a combination of both), or for players who give up on the escape trinket. 5 months ago I basically wrote a post that the introduction of pvp power and base resilience was making the gap between humans and other races only bigger. Their (some blue) counter argument was that it was merely a problem with on proc pve trinkets, and that the introduction of pvp power fixed that. It's beyond my understanding that they don't see that.

I'm not saying resil is bad, or that pvp power is the best thing since sliced bread (it is better than main stats for a bunch of classes) but they do interact with one another and have an effect on damage done and the reduction of said damage being equal to if you had only reduced it by Y% opposed to the original X%.

Honestly there is zero interaction between resilience and pvp power. PVP power increases your offensive spells vs players and does absolutely nothing for your defence (and the other way around). You can compare what adding 1 pvp power does to a target, or how much pvp power you should add when your target increases his resilience with 1. But hat is basically exactly the same as comparing what adding 1 int would do vs your target.

Btw, like I posted in my previous post: resilience scales many times much better than pvp power does, there is never a point where pvp power overtakes mitigation (actually it should be effective health, as its a combination of both your healthpool and your resilience). Except for humans & warriors who DW 2h, which hopefully will be fixed soon.

[Palee]

5 months ago I basically wrote a post that the introduction of pvp power and base resilience was making the gap between humans and other races only bigger.

I don't think this is true. If it was, then why would a bunch of high end pvp players on Tichondrius transfer from alliance to horde? Just to gimp themselves even harder?
Knowing how elitist and min-max they are I doubt they would do this if humans were that much better than other races.

[Ualaa]

The interaction between PvP Power and Resilience, is always when comparing yourself to an opponent.
It is their PvP Power vs your Resilience and your PvP Power vs their Resilience.

Given an equal set of gearing, lets say full Honor gear on both sides, with equivalent trinkets and weapons...

If one were to Gem & Enchant entirely for PvP Power and the other entirely for Resilience, who has the edge?
As in, an equal amount of rating spent...
Which doesn't necessarily mean an equal amount of PvP Power or Resilience achieved.

If PvP Power scales (off of rating) better than Resilience scales (off of rating)... but 1% Resilience (which costs more rating to get) is worth more than 1% PvP Power (costing less rating to achieve)...
Which is a better investment, for a boxer... the Resilience (which will be a slightly lower percentage) or the PvP Power (which will be a slightly higher percentage)?
I'd assume, if the scaling stays the same (ie., linear gains on rating for PvP Power, but diminishing returns on rating for Resilience), at some point towards the end of the expansion, you'll have a lot more percentage PvP Power than Resilience, for the same Enchant/Socket options and that will be a winner.

But which is better now?
And if the answer is Resilience, at what point does PvP Power surpass it?