Can i box with this comp ?

[heyaz]

Don't tell people to disable the Page File when you have no idea what programs they use on their computer. It's not that big of a deal to shrink it to the minimal 800MB that Windows 7 wants.

Whoa, yes sir!

I've been going with zero page file on every machine I own with 8GB RAM or more for years, running everything from seven wow clients, to VMware, to Office, to enterprise software that wants 32GB ram, to video/photo editing, to GPU accelerated cryptanalysis software, and so on. I didn't just throw that out there because I read it on a forum, I've tested it extensively and never had a problem. Windows has a habit of paging very early, long before you are anywhere near out of RAM, like the old days before hard drives got silent and you could hear them crunching. That simple tweak is the single largest boost of performance I've ever been able to get out of a Windows machine, followed by an SSD of course.

I think the paging/swap system still exists only because people are still running machines with 2GB or less RAM, and they still sell brand new machines with 4GB or less. If you have more RAM, it's just hurting your performance. I've found with most programs if you are utilizing more than your 12-24GB of RAM all at once and need swap space, you're going to be exhausting other resources anyway, or you're doing something wrong (trying to run a dozen VMs at once and expecting them to be usable). Or running Firefox and its plugin container, the world's most popular memory leaks, with 50-100 tabs at once.

[MiRai]

Any other tip you want to give me ? things i shall think of when starting ? Im going 4 shamans at first.
Anything is welcome

You are derailing your own thread in the hardware forum. Don't just make a single thread and ask hardware questions, software questions, composition questions, and other miscellaneous questions -- It makes it impossible to find anything when you bundle several subjects together into one single thread in a random sub-forum.

Whoa, yes sir!

I've been going with zero page file on every machine I own with 8GB RAM or more for years, running everything from seven wow clients, to VMware, to Office, to enterprise software that wants 32GB ram, to video/photo editing, to GPU accelerated cryptanalysis software, and so on. I didn't just throw that out there because I read it on a forum, I've tested it extensively and never had a problem. Windows has a habit of paging very early, long before you are anywhere near out of RAM, like the old days before hard drives got silent and you could hear them crunching. That simple tweak is the single largest boost of performance I've ever been able to get out of a Windows machine, followed by an SSD of course.

I think the paging/swap system still exists only because people are still running machines with 2GB or less RAM, and they still sell brand new machines with 4GB or less. If you have more RAM, it's just hurting your performance. I've found with most programs if you are utilizing more than your 12-24GB of RAM all at once and need swap space, you're going to be exhausting other resources anyway, or you're doing something wrong (trying to run a dozen VMs at once and expecting them to be usable). Or running Firefox and its plugin container, the world's most popular memory leaks, with 50-100 tabs at once.

That's a fantastic story. It's also the equivalent of telling someone they can speed down a certain road because you say "I've never been caught speeding on this road because the cops don't patrol here", and then when they get pulled over by the police a week later for speeding... Whose fault is it?

Shrinking the Page File hurts absolutely nothing, eliminating it altogether can end up hurting something.

[mihon]

You are derailing your own thread in the hardware forum. Don't just make a single thread and ask hardware questions, software questions, composition questions, and other miscellaneous questions -- It makes it impossible to find anything when you bundle several subjects together into one single thread in a random sub-forum.


That's a fantastic story. It's also the equivalent of telling someone they can speed down a certain road because you say "I've never been caught speeding on this road because the cops don't patrol here", and then when they get pulled over by the police a week later for speeding... Whose fault is it?

Shrinking the Page File hurts absolutely nothing, eliminating it altogether can end up hurting something.

Okey sorry, i just didn't want the forum to get "spammed" but well thank you all for your help. I wont be asking anymore question unless its regarding hardware. Wich it looks like im done doing Thank you again all.

[heyaz]

That's a fantastic story. It's also the equivalent of telling someone they can speed down a certain road because you say "I've never been caught speeding on this road because the cops don't patrol here", and then when they get pulled over by the police a week later for speeding... Whose fault is it?

Shrinking the Page File hurts absolutely nothing, eliminating it altogether can end up hurting something.

Worst. Analogy. Ever.

I tried shrinking it and windows still pegs it like crazy. As far as the hurt from eliminating it, I either never experienced it or never noticed it. Don't know what to tell you.

Anyway, argument ends here. You can choose to close this or delete my posts, but either way I'm out. Just trying to give the guy a couple tips.