http://www.tigerdirect.com/static/ht...liesguide.html
should awnser any questions you have about power supplies.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/static/ht...liesguide.html
should awnser any questions you have about power supplies.
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250 watts is actually enough power for a basic, non gaming, pure internet/word processing machine. The following specs wouldnt require anything bigger than a 250 watt power supply. Granted it wouldnt hurt but itd do fine with that.
Basic of basic MB with onboard video, non nvidia or ati. Generic brand.
512mb of ram
amd athlon 2400+ (non 64) (non dual)
basic 40gb harddrive
1 cdrom (non burner,nondvd)
that would be fine on a 250 watt. Its not that they are crap, just that they dont have the power needed for performance computing. You need alot more power based upon what your using it for. In the case of gaming you need alot more wattage.
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A question come to my mind, can this build hold 2 to 3 wow clients? ?(Originally Posted by 'Shigan5',index.php?page=Thread&postID=44603#post4 4603
Not really sure why you are defending this. First off we are specifically talking about a gaming machine. Second, the non-nvidia/ati on board would pretty much have to be intel these days which means sharing memory. With a very limited 512mb assuming XP you would be down to maybe 100mb to run 1 wow game at a junky 1024x768 resolution.
Powersupplies are cheap. Skimping on power is not a good idea, hard drives spinning at the wrong speeds can cause serious issues. While fans won't take much of a hit, you will be raising the overall heat production due to lower fan speeds, and simply put heat reduces the lifespan of parts which is the very reason that gigabyte makes solid capacitors with ferrite cores. Memory and CPU's tend to be very picky about incomming voltage.
There are plenty of ways and things to make a computer cheap. Power should never be one of them. My processor alone is rated at 120w, add 4 hard drives, 2 video cards, 2 dvd burners, extra case fans, motherboard loss and efficiency of the psu itself into the equation and you have the reason i have an 800w psu, on top of the beauty of having 6 rails of 12v stabilized for extra safety when it comes to power surges.
You might be able to reduce power consumption via the 80w processors or even the 40w/60w passive cooled processors but now you are talking about dropping pure performance. You could also detune by underclocking, but why. If you want a real cluster boxing setup find a massivly produced model for the $399 that will give you a better baseline and buy an extra gig of ram. Which also benefits you buy having software pre-installed.
HP Option - http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...=a6400z_series
dual core AMD 1.8ghz
2gb of ram
320gb hard drive
dvd burner
onboard audio
onboard nvidia video
vista installed
$339.99
for $439.99 you can have 4gb of ram
Dell Option -- http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...=DDCWFA1&s=dhs
dual core intel 1.8ghz
2gb ram
250 gb hard drive
16x dvd burnder
onboard audio
onboard intel video
vista installed
keyboard/mouse
$429
There are plenty of deals out there for fully capable boxing options that will work out of the box for the same price range you are talking about. Not to mention these computers have warrantys and tech support. are built to work.
Course, now you have to figure in monitors and kvm switches etc... Yes you can technically build faster computers yourself... but you are talking about $400+ systems without software. Meaning that you could easily slap the 4gb or ram into the hp option and be about the same pricerange overall, or stick with 2gb and be able to spend essentially an extra $100 on your monitors/kvm etc.
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You havent read the whole thread. I already recommended a system to him thats cheap and runs 2-3 wows perfectly:Not really sure why you are defending this. First off we are specifically talking about a gaming machine. Second, the non-nvidia/ati on board would pretty much have to be intel these days which means sharing memory. With a very limited 512mb assuming XP you would be down to maybe 100mb to run 1 wow game at a junky 1024x768 resolution.
Powersupplies are cheap. Skimping on power is not a good idea, hard drives spinning at the wrong speeds can cause serious issues. While fans won't take much of a hit, you will be raising the overall heat production due to lower fan speeds, and simply put heat reduces the lifespan of parts which is the very reason that gigabyte makes solid capacitors with ferrite cores. Memory and CPU's tend to be very picky about incomming voltage.
There are plenty of ways and things to make a computer cheap. Power should never be one of them. My processor alone is rated at 120w, add 4 hard drives, 2 video cards, 2 dvd burners, extra case fans, motherboard loss and efficiency of the psu itself into the equation and you have the reason i have an 800w psu, on top of the beauty of having 6 rails of 12v stabilized for extra safety when it comes to power surges.
You might be able to reduce power consumption via the 80w processors or even the 40w/60w passive cooled processors but now you are talking about dropping pure performance. You could also detune by underclocking, but why. If you want a real cluster boxing setup find a massivly produced model for the $399 that will give you a better baseline and buy an extra gig of ram. Which also benefits you buy having software pre-installed.
HP Option - http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...=a6400z_series
dual core AMD 1.8ghz
2gb of ram
320gb hard drive
dvd burner
onboard audio
onboard nvidia video
vista installed
$339.99
for $439.99 you can have 4gb of ram
Dell Option -- http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...=DDCWFA1&s=dhs
dual core intel 1.8ghz
2gb ram
250 gb hard drive
16x dvd burnder
onboard audio
onboard intel video
vista installed
keyboard/mouse
$429
There are plenty of deals out there for fully capable boxing options that will work out of the box for the same price range you are talking about. Not to mention these computers have warrantys and tech support. are built to work.
Course, now you have to figure in monitors and kvm switches etc... Yes you can technically build faster computers yourself... but you are talking about $400+ systems without software. Meaning that you could easily slap the 4gb or ram into the hp option and be about the same pricerange overall, or stick with 2gb and be able to spend essentially an extra $100 on your monitors/kvm etc.
O and the reason i was talking about the 250watt system was cause he asked this question:
but yeah i already suggested a build that runs fine and he decided to go with that. cheap performance is always a good thing.Okay, do they not make 250 Watt power supplies because even the most minimalist PC needs more then that, or because they feel their's no profit margion for PSU's that 'small'? Do PSU's that small have problems with stability? Do modern PC's draw more power then that naturally? What is it? Why is it you need more then 250Watts? Tell me more then just "I say so".
yes it can and it will run them well, granted your not on the highest of settings.
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except of course what hp and dell did was take the 100bucks and gave you an operating system and a crappy video card instead of an actual usable one.Not really sure why you are defending this. First off we are specifically talking about a gaming machine. Second, the non-nvidia/ati on board would pretty much have to be intel these days which means sharing memory. With a very limited 512mb assuming XP you would be down to maybe 100mb to run 1 wow game at a junky 1024x768 resolution.
Powersupplies are cheap. Skimping on power is not a good idea, hard drives spinning at the wrong speeds can cause serious issues. While fans won't take much of a hit, you will be raising the overall heat production due to lower fan speeds, and simply put heat reduces the lifespan of parts which is the very reason that gigabyte makes solid capacitors with ferrite cores. Memory and CPU's tend to be very picky about incomming voltage.
There are plenty of ways and things to make a computer cheap. Power should never be one of them. My processor alone is rated at 120w, add 4 hard drives, 2 video cards, 2 dvd burners, extra case fans, motherboard loss and efficiency of the psu itself into the equation and you have the reason i have an 800w psu, on top of the beauty of having 6 rails of 12v stabilized for extra safety when it comes to power surges.
You might be able to reduce power consumption via the 80w processors or even the 40w/60w passive cooled processors but now you are talking about dropping pure performance. You could also detune by underclocking, but why. If you want a real cluster boxing setup find a massivly produced model for the $399 that will give you a better baseline and buy an extra gig of ram. Which also benefits you buy having software pre-installed.
HP Option - http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/sh...=a6400z_series
dual core AMD 1.8ghz
2gb of ram
320gb hard drive
dvd burner
onboard audio
onboard nvidia video
vista installed
$339.99
for $439.99 you can have 4gb of ram
Dell Option -- http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...=DDCWFA1&s=dhs
dual core intel 1.8ghz
2gb ram
250 gb hard drive
16x dvd burnder
onboard audio
onboard intel video
vista installed
keyboard/mouse
$429
There are plenty of deals out there for fully capable boxing options that will work out of the box for the same price range you are talking about. Not to mention these computers have warrantys and tech support. are built to work.
Course, now you have to figure in monitors and kvm switches etc... Yes you can technically build faster computers yourself... but you are talking about $400+ systems without software. Meaning that you could easily slap the 4gb or ram into the hp option and be about the same pricerange overall, or stick with 2gb and be able to spend essentially an extra $100 on your monitors/kvm etc.
and @the 250watt PSU argument. If you are going to try and edefend this "250wats is ok" argument with basically a 'look at this non-gaming machine' then stop. We are not grandma who checks email and surfs the web. 250watts (especially shitty generic PSUs) are not enough for a system to run WoW decently.
And @ 'who cares who makes it I want cheap" people. Let me be very clear about what the number on a side of a PSU means. that number means "This PSU, when cranked all the way to the max with a multimeter attached to it output 250watts of power" All PSUs are designed to operate at around 70% capacity because that is the most efficient for them. However, there is no required operating range at all, what that means is using cheap components to save money companies can create a PSU that will peak at 250watts but it will not be providing 250watts of power to your system. Thus the higher quality (but lower wattage) PSUs are capable of running low end machines. And that ooo big number 600W generic thing is about as good as a 250W quality PSU.
A little real world for you.
I have a quad core, 2gig of ram, with an nvidia 7200, with windows xp running at 100% CPU load 24/7 on this PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371005 yup, 380W, but wow that is expensive for a 380W psu. Its because it is not a piece of crap, some of the best PSUs on the market in fact.
And how did our generic do? This is a 450W PSU from a 1month old P4 (yes a pentium 4, that old)
the small red circles are what the cap should look like, the bigger ones are what they exploded into. When this thing blew it took the machine with it, motherboard, chip, and RAM. Say no to cheap PSUs.
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Im only answering the question here, no need to rip my headoff because everyone cant read. He asked a simple couple of questions. One of which asking if they even made 250 watt PSUs and what they were even used for. Thus i answered witht he email build. You dont always need a super humoungous PSU. Yeah if you want to blow the money to make your computer sound better, than whatever but most people dont, they want what they need for what they need it for. And thus the reason for having 250 PSUs, cause not everyone in this world games.
and as for the whole argument ofOkay, do they not make 250 Watt power supplies because even the most minimalist PC needs more then that, or because they feel their's no profit margion for PSU's that 'small'? Do PSU's that small have problems with stability? Do modern PC's draw more power then that naturally? What is it? Why is it you need more then 250Watts? Tell me more then just "I say so".he didnt ask that as you can see from the quote above. THOSE are the questions im answering, not answering the whole thread, which if you read page 1, I already did.not enough for a system to run WoW decently.
And yes crap PSUs dont work very well, just like everything else on this planet. But you buy the PSU for what you are going to use it for. You want a performance computer, you want a performance PSU. You want a basic non performance computer, nothing more, you dont need a performance PSU. Thats why they make cheaper PSUs, not everyone who uses computers in this world use them for gaming. Some just like email and chat.
As ive explained before, wattage isnt everything in a PSU. "Oh i have 400 watts and doing all the math thats all I need" your wrong. Check the amps on your 12v rail. Not enough amps, not enough power, causing your PSU to either fail, or work too hard and blow.
And if you say "Oh i have 2 12v rails, i get to add the amps together" Err, wrong again. Check which cables are coming from which rail, you plug everything into one rail, your still only getting the amps from that rail, split them between the two, then you go by how many amps each component takes and see if you have enough.
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It was not my intention to rip your head off (or to sound like I wanted to) sorry. And most of my reply was not directed at you I just quoted your post to give myself a refference point when typing because you quoted some of the people I was replying to. Its just that people arguing over cheap/low-quality Vs larger/good quality PSUs is a big pet peeve of mine. And the reason I said tyo remove all talk of these gimp machines from the thread is because they are irrelevent to the OPs questions because they are not a gaming machine. The fact that yes, there exists a machine that can run on a 250W PSU (heck I have an emulator PC that runs on a 135W) it does not at all help the OP and if anything could confuse him more. Many people underestimate video card power usage. For atleast over the last year or more a high end gfraphics card has been the most power hungry device in an entire system (sometimes even more than everything else combined). Again my response was to keep with the original question of this thread and try to not muddy the waters with points that have no bearing on what the OP was trying to do. And to avoid having this draw out anymore Ill just reply to your very last statement a bit. This is kind of amusing (you are correct btw) but you should compare the 12v rails of a generic PSU Vs a quality one of similar wattage. Most of the time the quality one has much better (and more stable rails) which is smply why for the people that dont know all that much about computers the statement "dont buy cheap-ass generic PSUs for a gaming rg" generally points them in the right direction without confusing them without doing various bits of math on wattage and seperate voltage rails. Anyways, peace bro :thumbup:
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very correct, as most higher quality PSU do have more stable rails at higher amps but the amps do depend on the wattage of the PSU.As you cant have a 12v rail at 60amps and only have a 250watt psu. And as I said i was only answering the ops question above my post. And as i said id already helped the op decide on what machine he was getting, and then proceded to answer a few more questions.
The only thing I would like to know is if he got the machine and how well its doing for him
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Well it's been a week, I might as well give a little update!
Yes, I did get the machine. My only frustration was that I ordered the parts on a Wednesday. Most of them actually showed up on Thursday! But, the Video Card, the last piece didn't show till Moday! Arg! Okay, so that was a week ago I finally got up and running.
The new machine runs like a champ though. I got everything installed, I eventually got KeyClone up and going, and eventually installed Synergy too. The hardware is a lot better then even my old machine (Tells you how long it's been since I've updated my hardware) And for the price, I can't argue that much.
From there, it's been a weak of tweaking, trials and fumbles. I got a 3-box set up going. 1 Priest, 2 Mages. I'm delighted by how efficient they are together. I've gotten them to level 11 so far. Since level 5 it's been all wanding though. Since that doesn't take power and it's great DPS for this level range. I'm still playing a lot around with Add-On's and Macros. I fumbled trying to make a series of /assist + /cast macros. So I'm currently going to stick with my /follow + /assist macro and live with that.
For inexpensive hardware, it runs pretty smoothly. I had no problems installing the OS, knock on wood. The DVD drive runs like a champ, the video card runs 2 clients pretty damn smoothly. I can't argue much at all with the system. It's been a tad slow going though. During the week I had limited play time. The weekend, i barely had 2-4 hours with of game total. It's just been a really busy week for me, so I'm still just scraping the surface of multi-boxing. I hope to get more done soon. Wish me luck!
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