ruh roh

[zenga]

Exploit for goblins: queue up with your good gear in the bank and greens equipped. Enter bg with fellow noobs, pop the bank dude, equip good gear, have fun.

Wanna bet this will be possible when this will go live?

[Lyonheart]

If that ever becomes a true concern, I'm sure the will make it so you cant pop bankers in BGs.

[zenga]

The random bg gear gap is not a big problem during the start of an expansion, much more after a patch. If you are a freshly dinged lvl 85 with 320 item level, you'll meet people in 400+ gear who can do 3,4 & 5x your damage, and have much more durability. If I ding an alt I want to learn how to play it in random bg's once I have all my spells available. Now you just need to eat shit for 2 weeks till you are geared, and then you can start to farm. There is no scaling.

A separate queue for lower geared people is a bad idea. It will be twinked, just like anything in the game.

A much better solution is an ilvl scaling buff like they do with dungeons on the ptr. If 371 is the ilvl from last season honor gear, 390 is the honor ilvl from the current season, and 403 the ilvl for the current conquest gear, make it so that if a quest green geared player joins a random bg he/she will have 371 stats. The player can actually start immediately to play/learn his character, and if someone takes a break for a patch he/she isn't way behind.

[MiRai]

The random bg gear gap is not a big problem during the start of an expansion, much more after a patch. If you are a freshly dinged lvl 85 with 320 item level, you'll meet people in 400+ gear who can do 3,4 & 5x your damage, and have much more durability. If I ding an alt I want to learn how to play it in random bg's once I have all my spells available. Now you just need to eat shit for 2 weeks till you are geared, and then you can start to farm. There is no scaling.

A separate queue for lower geared people is a bad idea. It will be twinked, just like anything in the game.

A much better solution is an ilvl scaling buff like they do with dungeons on the ptr. If 371 is the ilvl from last season honor gear, 390 is the honor ilvl from the current season, and 403 the ilvl for the current conquest gear, make it so that if a quest green geared player joins a random bg he/she will have 371 stats. The player can actually start immediately to play/learn his character, and if someone takes a break for a patch he/she isn't way behind.

Is it too much to ask someone who wants to PvP to get the crafted set?

[Peli]

Is it too much to ask someone who wants to PvP to get the crafted set?

On my server, crafted pieces sell on the AH for 1k+ gold per piece (when they're even available). What do you think a freshly dinged player would rather spend their gold on, 300 and 325% flying skill or gear that will get replaced in 2 weeks' worth of losing battlegrounds?

[Shodokan]

On my server, crafted pieces sell on the AH for 1k+ gold per piece. What do you think a freshly dinged player would rather spend their gold on, 300 and 325% flying skill or gear that will get replaced in 2 weeks' worth of losing battlegrounds?

* 2 nights of losing AV or IoC in BG weekends. :P

[Peli]

* 2 nights of losing AV or IoC in BG weekends. :P

Exactly.

The PvP blues are a sick joke from Blizzard. You can either farm for weeks to get the recipes yourself or pay through the nose for someone else to make them for you. Why they don't think that they shouldn't be standard recipes available to everyone (like the 333 tank/dps/healing PvE sets) is beyond me.

[zenga]

* 2 nights of losing AV or IoC in BG weekends. :P

On alt number 7 I honestly don't fancy spending my weekend in AV/IoC just to acquire some points so I can play the game.

[zenga]

Is it too much to ask someone who wants to PvP to get the crafted set?

Apparently it is for a substantial part of the playerbase. The reality is that many people run around in green/blue dungeon gear after they dinged. It's a problem for me as a fully geared player, both when they are in my team and in the other team. Adding a flat ilvl buff that scales with content is a simple solution for everything.

[MiRai]

Adding a flat ilvl buff that scales with content is a simple solution for everything.

An even better solution would be to just start everyone off at top level fully geared with a starter set that falls about 10 item levels below the current top tier. That way no one would really have to try or put any effort into anything.