Tankadin Plus 4 Shammies still good for PvE ?

[Esca]

I'm debating if I should come back to WoW with the MoP release. I have an old Tankadin plus 4 Shaman team sitting at level 80 from Wotlk. I'm only interested in doing PvE questing and dungeon runs. I'm not interested in PvP. Is this still a good team with the current changes plus what is coming in MoP?

[JohnGabriel]

WotLK was toughest time to PvE box, cata was so easy you could do it half asleep. I'm in the MoP beta but for me its still too early to tell if I will enjoy boxing it. It will probably be somewhere in between WotLK/Cata.

Blizzard seems to recognize problems, then in the next expansion they fix those problems but go too far in the other direction causing new problems.

[MiRai]

I'm debating if I should come back to WoW with the MoP release. I have an old Tankadin plus 4 Shaman team sitting at level 80 from Wotlk. I'm only interested in doing PvE questing and dungeon runs. I'm not interested in PvP. Is this still a good team with the current changes plus what is coming in MoP?

I'm not sure you could ever go wrong with a Paladin and 4 Shaman from a PvE standpoint.

WotLK was toughest time to PvE box, cata was so easy you could do it half asleep.

Whoa Whoa Whoa Mr. Gabriel

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I would say that WotLK was, by far, the easiest expansion to PvE box thanks to the mindless ,,,,, macros. By the end of WotLK Naxxramas had been 10-boxed, EoE had been 10-boxed, OS had been 10-boxed, ToC had mostly been 10-boxed, and a lot of ICC had been 10-boxed (even Nejcha downed LK with her 4 Shaman and 6 singles). To date, no Cataclysm raid has been successfully 10-boxed from start to finish and we've only got 2 months left on this expansion.

The loss of the comma based /click macros paired up with the original difficulty of Cataclysm heroics were the bane of a lot of multiboxers. Many multiboxers have probably quit because of how difficult Cataclysm was/is and I'll bet there are still plenty of multiboxers who haven't done all of the heroics they've wanted to (has heroic Deadmines been successfully 5-boxed?).

[Khatovar]

I've probably played a grand total of 4 months worth of Cata. I agree 100% with MiRai, Wrath was the easiest to box, followed by BC {when I started, so some of that may have been my newbness} and Cata firmly in the "this blows" category.

With the removal of comma macros and the addition of CC requirement, massive aoe damage, movement-intensive fights and the overuse of gimmicks, Cata was just a pain in the ass to multibox. There was too much grinding in order to gear up, and too much gearing up required to progress.

In Wrath, there was only one dungeon I couldn't manage without outgearing {Oculus}. Whereas Cata, I probably haven't even finished half of the dungeons. And not for lack of trying, as I'm a housewife without kids, so I have the luxury of sitting down and playing marathon 10+hour sessions any time I want while the man is at work. And even in the dungeons I have finished, there's a good number of them where I could only do so by skipping bosses.

The only issue I had with Wrath was too much vehicle combat.


As far as the original post, Tankadin+Shams is probably forever going to be the go-to comp for PVE. DKs and Mages are also popular, so those 4 classes in any combination will probably do you well enough.

[JohnGabriel]

Must be just me. I had horrible time in WotLK, couldn't get through it without tons of preparation for each pull, poly and whatnot. I was still pretty beginner then and it was pre-IsBoxer for me.

I couldn't do ZA/ZG but the Cata heroics I just run through, no deaths, no issues, just plain easy farming. The OP was talking about 5-mans.

[Cptan]

I couldn't do ZA/ZG but the Cata heroics I just run through, no deaths, no issues, just plain easy farming. The OP was talking about 5-mans.

This is news to me. Maybe you are overgeared for cata heroics.

(has heroic Deadmines been successfully 5-boxed?)

Yes of course, nowhere near cata released, but before 4.2, if memory serves.

[confusedtx5]

pallyshams are now my fav team since trying it. chain lightning destroys trash. rshams earth shield combined with simple, strong heal mechanics, makes heals easy for me to control, while tanking mobs.
pally and shammy buffs currently work well together, but lots of stuff being moved around in pandaland.

And definitely agree with MiRai as well. Start of cata, I had no chance in heroics. Only ever managed to get 1 boss down in H VoA. I STILL haven't cleared any heroics, but with the hour of twilight 5-mans, its mostly from lack of trying.
I'm expecting (taking into account Ghostcrawlers explanation of Heroic dungeon difficulties) Pandaland 5-mans to be between wotlk and cata difficulty levels

[MiRai]

The OP was talking about 5-mans.

I was insinuating that since so many of the 10-man raids had been cleared by a single person, the 5-man heroics were completely steamrolled by almost everyone who multiboxed.

[zenga]

It might even be possible (in my mind I even labelled it 'very likely') to play 1 pally + 4 ele again, i.e. run without a healer, as shamans have now some incredible off healing tools, definitely when stacked.

[valkry]

I'm not sure you could ever go wrong with a Paladin and 4 Shaman from a PvE standpoint.


Whoa Whoa Whoa Mr. Gabriel

STOP
THE
PRESS

I would say that WotLK was, by far, the easiest expansion to PvE box thanks to the mindless ,,,,, macros. By the end of WotLK Naxxramas had been 10-boxed, EoE had been 10-boxed, OS had been 10-boxed, ToC had mostly been 10-boxed, and a lot of ICC had been 10-boxed (even Nejcha downed LK with her 4 Shaman and 6 singles). To date, no Cataclysm raid has been successfully 10-boxed from start to finish and we've only got 2 months left on this expansion.

The loss of the comma based /click macros paired up with the original difficulty of Cataclysm heroics were the bane of a lot of multiboxers. Many multiboxers have probably quit because of how difficult Cataclysm was/is and I'll bet there are still plenty of multiboxers who haven't done all of the heroics they've wanted to (has heroic Deadmines been successfully 5-boxed?).

Yes, I have boxed every heroic, most of the achievements boxed as well. I am sure others have as well (deadmines isn't the hardest either)

Yes, pally with 4 ele is still a strong PVE team if you have a smooth transition to healing your tank when needed. That's the set up I run for my heroics anyway.

But yea, John, wotlk heroics were a complete joke. Went in with pal+4 ele, geared in blues and steamrolled everything. Boss kills took like what... 8-16 seconds? Once you tank started getting stam and avoidance, that was it. Barely anyone else took dmg. Hell, my pally could almost solo hhalf the heroics, the shams just made it faster