Taking the heat

[candlebox]

What i have learned in my past solid year of "Actual" multiboxing (with software, not alt tab).

There is a mixed general consensus on multiboxers as we all know.

You have the people that get farmed for hours non stop by multboxers in towns. Then you get the people that get farmed for hours nonstop in BGs, and Of course you have the supporters who ask a million questions, or hide behind you in pvp, and don't advance.

So to help "delay" the effects of the increasing popularity in multiboxing, I have took it upon myself to start helping people when i can. In not saying every minute i do this, but I do my best to help out the non boxing community.

I help people run CoC, I will ask trade for an extra person for pvp, and drop somone from my team.

We walk a very thin line with multiboxing, and to simply use it for PvP and "Soloing" is a complete waste to the game. We have the ability to help people less fortunate than us, that don't have 2200 ranked friends to run them through CoC.

If our community of boxers does not move to a more positive side note, then I can see blizzard making things "To hard" to box. If you seen the lists of stuns coming out we are already in trouble.

WE MUST promote multiboxing in good fashion. If we don't stop the sliding down the hill, we might all be looking for a new game to box. Yes they said its ok, but we make up a very small portion of the wow economics. If you have 100 people pissing off 10,000+ think about how that looks for sales. Yes, noone will probably insta-quit, but long term effects can be bad.

If you don't care then fine. This post is directed at noone, but reading of AFK'ing durring bgs and such just looks bad for us all. I know that we are the main reason for some wins, but also the reasons for losses. We have to gear our teams by playing, regaurdless of gear.

If we don't build support we are going to see our toons marked as AFK and kicked out of BG's, and I have been kicked out of numerous LFR's when holding 5 spots in the top 4-10 dps spots. "Because I will ninja all the gear".

Food for thought.

[Homer]

I get were your coming from and agree we must be civil.

But I multibox for the sole purpose of "Soloing". When you grab multiple top 100's in pvp and pve on different toons and the level of intelligence of your team mates is still utterly horrible. You spend hundreds of hours(months back in the day) playing a boss fight perfectly or playing an arena perfectly only to loose because 1 person makes 1 mistake. The incompetence is just to much. I have started so I can clear content and PvP without

1. Relying on idiots

2. Making idiots hate me because I call them stupid for being stupid....

The irony of it is most multiboxers(From what I have read/watched) seem to be very competent players(I have yet to see a bad multiboxer once they learn) Except that cocky egotistical guy that could only cast chain heal on 40 shamans. He flew to close to the sun

[candlebox]

I understand your reasoning fully, and it is the same reason why I myself box. All that was meant to be said was that we need support from the non boxing types.

Only so many cookies in the cookie jar. I dread the day we have to start grinding instances again, because it is faster than being farmed in BG's. I try to keep an open mind on this. We have way to many boxers that troll people.

Kinda like being "that guy" at the bar.

[fpsware]

I took a year long break from WoW and have recently, in the last 8 week, started boxing again (been boxing since BC). I multibox because it entertains me. I box because solo play has become boring and tiresome. I box because its fun.

I will frequently stand in SW and "show off", casting various spells and doing the "light show" as it were. I'll answer ALL questions and I have macros (AutoHotKey) for almost all of them. Currently, my teams are 4 man and I PUG a tank or I PUG a healer. I have no hesitation in kicking them if they are failing to perform.

In my personal opinion I don't see the negative multiboxers you're referring to.

[JackBurton]

I agree with all your points. I began boxing in an era where your party relied on the trinity to be successful. PvPing for me is just something I do when I want to hang out with other boxers on my server.

[candlebox]

In my personal opinion I don't see the negative multiboxers you're referring to.

The AFK's and the trolls. Give it time you will run into them.

[kate]

Maybe I'm weird, but I don't really feel like the behavior of someone else who multi-boxes has any real effect on me. It would be like saying "Oh, you play an orc, I play an orc, therefore your behavior reflects on me!"

I mean, I do understand that some boxers are jerks, just like some members of any arbitrary group are jerks. But I'm not, I don't behave like one, and by and large, if someone starts treating me like I'm one because some other boxer was mean to them, I just don't pay any attention to them, and I'm happier for it. People who make the decision to be angry with someone just because that someone shares an arbitrary trait with a group are, frankly, useless to me and not worth my time.

It would be different, I guess, if there were any real danger of multiboxing being banned because there were enough of us, and enough of us behaving badly, to have a significant impact on the ability of other people to enjoy the game, but we are nowhere near that point and really I cannot possibly imagine that we ever would be just because we really are such a VANISHINGLY SMALL part of the population due to the fairly significant investment involved in starting boxing and the learning curve. Most people willing to spend the money and time to learn to do it simply aren't interested in being assholes and putting all of that at risk.

These kinds of threads crop up fairly regularly - people either worrying about how other boxers make them look, or asking other people to regulate their behavior, etc. I'm not saying your idea is a bad one, Candlebox, and by and large I already do help people out just because I'm a nice person, but people ought to do nice things just because they want to and because it's good to be that way, rather than just due to the worry that down the road other people will react badly over something that individual never actually did.

[Apps]

There are two general reasons why a person follows through and does multiboxing rather than like and admire it only..

1. Do it for the challenge / skill.

2. For the varying reasons.. doesnt want to play with others.


There is only one flaw with the OPs ideals... and was pointed out by Homer and Kate. The general assumption is that the rest of the users are similarly responsible and mature. Fact is; they're more often not.

Prime Example right here:


Its unlikely a boxer is going to be able to convince, or negotiate with this kind of a user. When uneducated, immature and entitled users "feel" offended, that becomes "law". And attempting to educate is seen as combativeness.

It will come to no surprise to read the forums and find thread over thread over thread, where X person handles haters in various ways... just as other forum users will promote not being so bold about it, as they personally "feel" affected somehow.

Again.. Fact is; no one pays for your account but you. Enjoy it how you see fit. (yet don't be surprised of others have an opinion if the decision is to publicize any douchebaggery)

[Truelle]

Blizzard most likely will never ban multiboxing. They don't want to have to monitor it, however if boxers do cause too many issues in Battlegrounds (like Prepared does) all they have to do is remove /follow in Battlegrounds. A very simple change the population would love and multiboxing in battlegrounds would be over.

[MiRai]

Maybe I'm weird, but I don't really feel like the behavior of someone else who multi-boxes has any real effect on me. It would be like saying "Oh, you play an orc, I play an orc, therefore your behavior reflects on me!"

It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with visibility. Multiboxers aren't a "normal" thing for people to see on an everyday basis, but single players who act like jerks are. I don't normally see a cop everyday, but when I do, if the experience is pleasant, then everybody's happy. If the cop is a jackass, then I might think that all cops in that precinct are jackasses.

Think of Hunters, Death Knights, or maybe even Rogues. Three classes that seem to be a magnet for terrible players regardless of how easy the class actually is. Whenever I'm teamed up with a Hunter, Death Knight, or Rogue... they'll have to prove to me that they're not some keyboard turning window licker before I can trust them.

It's the fact that because there are so few of us in game, that when we are actually seen by the public our overall reputation is at stake. If one multiboxer leaves a sour taste in someone's mouth, that person is more likely to believe that all multiboxers are complete douchebags with too much time and money on their hands.

It's not difficult for us, as multiboxers, to act like good citizens rather than be asshats just because we can.