Taking the heat

[zenga]

About a year and a half ago, kromtor described it pretty accurate ino:

on a serious note, the MB on MB crime rates are alarmingly high as is the rate of fatherless MB children. we need to clean up our community and stop championing pimp and gangster culture.

[JackBurton]

Zenga show me how you link to the middle of a web page

[MiRai]

Zenga show me how you link to the middle of a web page

There is a number in the upper right attached to everyone's post in a thread... click on it and it changes your URL.

[Kayley]

I, at every point when I unsub an account (temp or perma retirement) ALWAYS list rogues being OP in pvp as the reason why I am quitting... ALWAYS.
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This is why we are friends.

[Apps]

eh, changed my mind. This is a funny thread.

[Catamer]

I find the other players just stupid as well. Every time I solo with others I find the teams incredibly weak. I choose my boxing team with great care and everyone complements everyone else from buffs to heals to DPS. I find for just about any game I multibox I am 10x much more powerful just playing with myself than with others. in CoH I play all +4/8 ( the hardest settings possible ) all the time, just to make it interesting. I don't mind helping others if they ask for it, but I rarely go looking. I have a small group of players that don't mind playing with a multiboxer and if they are on they usually join me.

[MiRai]

I'll reply again since I'm not doing anything right this moment. There also seem to be a lot lists in this thread so I'll join in on the fun.

Let's start off with an example:

Why is there a such thing as a "bad neighborhood" where someone might live? I'd wager everything I own that not everyone who lives in the "bad neighborhood" is actually bad. However, if someone was coming out of the "bad neighborhood," most people would label that person as a bad person, regardless of whoever they really are.

Tell me the above text (especially the text in bold) is incorrect.
Tell me that the general (gaming) population will not pre-judge someone because they don't have the same play style.
Tell me that you've never made a generalization about anyone, or anything, in your life.

You can't come in here and pretend that you're a saint and say that others shouldn't judge others or tell them how to play (which I don't see anyone telling anyone else how to play) because you have never judged anyone ever and you would never do that.

You'd be lying.

There are also a lot of "I" statements in this thread where people think they have a real identity among the masses in the video game world. You don't. You might have some sort of identity on your realm because people might know who you are, but other than that, you're a multiboxer. You're a multiboxer, just like I'm a multiboxer, and just like he's a multiboxer. We're all multiboxers and we're labeled as so, by the general population, while we're multiboxing.

I don't care how you might personally view multiboxing because you're already a multiboxer.
I don't care that you believe people should not be judged by their play style because that's obviously not the way the (gaming) world works.
I don't care if you feel entitled to whatever you want just because you can -- Thinking that "I pay money for this, so I can do what I want" is the type of thinking which is why we can't have nice things.

(Quoted Before It Was Withdrawn)

I find it hypocritical for individuals to put up the same examples to quantify multiboxing, and then turn around and again use the same example to try to control it.
I.e. "..multiboxing is the same as several individuals working together in a group situation, you're not expecting to kill 5 players are you?" then say, its not fair to the community of boxers if some users do this, because it makes "me" look bad.

When someone rages on five players, they're raging on five players. When someone rages on someone else who is multiboxing, they're raging about a multiboxer. Also, if those five individual players come from the same guild, then that guild is now labeled, no?

How are these the same?

Let's break this down visually (as best I can with text).

Example 1

Five players from different guilds camp one player:

Warrior (Tom)
Mage (Mike)
Mage (Jerry)
Priest (Mila - My sexy lady)
Druid (George)

Result:
"What a bunch of douche bags! Why don't they go find something else to do with their time?"

Example 2

Five players from the same guild camp one player:

Warrior (Tom)
Mage (Mike)
Mage (Jerry)
Priest (Mila - My sexy lady)
Druid (George)

Result:
"F'ing <insert guild name>! They're all just a bunch of douchebags! Why don't they go find something else to do with their time?"

A guild of 100 people is now labeled by this one person as douchebags because of five individual players' actions.

Example 3

A single multiboxer who is multiboxing five characters camps one player:

Warrior (Tom)
Mage (Tom)
Mage (Tom)
Priest (Tom)
Druid (Tom)

Result:
"F'ing multiboxers! They're all just a bunch of cheating douchebags! Why doesn't this guy go find something else to do with his time?"

All multiboxers are now labeled by this one person as douchebags because of one multiboxer's actions.

These are crude examples (for everyone, not just Apps), Don't jump on me with a herp derp statement saying that "PvP happens." This is a general example of how the general mass of players are going to interpret a multiboxer's actions.

[candlebox]

@Mirai...that was a fun read, and exactly what I am saying.

+1000

[Apps]

Awe! Fen...I thought I pulled that statemented post back fast enough. Damn! lol.

Ok. Just two comments tho.

1. Are we saying that a multiboxer *CANT* or is *not allowed* to be a douche or a dick from time to time because of how it reflects on others? I.e. some code of ethics which needs to be signed when purchasing a wow account or boxing software?

2. There may also be a general suggestion that a person of complaint, in the examples above, is uneducated and ignorant, citing "cheating" when in fact no rules have been broken what so ever...just sayin.

I (Apps) refrain publicly judging anyone, since being in that hot seat myself before. But I do contend that if there is a group of individuals, and one (all be it not breaking any rules), his actions are not (by opinion), approved by another group member... well then, there is nothing saying the person who feels offended, HAS to stay in the group at all. Free will and all. Now I know some people may not agree with me. That's fine. Disagreeing with me doesn't make me any less steadfast in my own opinion or beliefs.

**Also, I should note: I do not, and am not, condoning any douchbaggery behavior, nor encouraging boxers and non-boxers alike from doing the like.. nor am I defending anyone of saying or doing such within this thread. Merely only posting my own opinion, as that is the only one that I can control.

[MiRai]

1. Are we saying that a multiboxer *CANT* or is *not allowed* to be a douche or a dick from time to time because of how it reflects on others? I.e. some code of ethics which needs to be signed when purchasing a wow account or boxing software?

Anyone can play however they want to, but it would be ignorant to think that they're not affecting someone, or something, else through their actions, whether positive or negative. Most people tolerate multiboxing because it doesn't affect them negatively, but wouldn't bat an eye if it faded away. If multiboxing does end up affecting them negatively, and continues to affect them in this fashion, they're more likely to push for the removal of it rather than just sit idle.

As a multiboxer, you are an ambassador for all other multiboxers out there in whatever game you play whether you believe so or not; so know when to ease up on the douchebag pedal when you're dealing with other gamers out there. (I know that's deep)