Right but even so, if I can do act 3 with any 2 of them, or when any 2 of them DIE in a 4 man group... something's wrong. I can literally bring 4 guys into act 3 inferno and when 2 die; kill any elite pack with ease. However when 4 of them are up the mobs spawn affix abilities at a MUCH higher rate and so generally 1-3 of them just fall over before I have a chance to do much of anything. -- That's unrealistic in general and it's why virtually NO ONE boxing or not does act 3 with more than 2 people -- ever. Watch the streams, there's a reason it's 2 people tops 98% of the time in act 3 or 4, this game is broken for coop, period.