Arena are now ruined for boxers.

[Mokoi]

Not to be a dick, but if this is going to stop you from boxing in PVP then good, it gives the rest of us a better chance even with this change.

Shodoken, wtf was that? are you high? that was a dick move at the end there. I am your friend, dude. remember who you are talking to... perhaps you can recall the times I have stood beside you when the others wanted your blood. There's no reason to lash out for nothing at this community. Simmer down.

Not everyone plays DKs with a pocket paladin healer.

Yes, DK Pally will probably do fine for your level of skill, no matter what. Good for you, I'm quite excited to see what you can do in MoP.

I don't play ANY team competitively in Arenas. What I do like, is being able to surprise a team while im getting my points with 5 arcane mages, or 5 druids, or hunters or whatever... and kill them. It's fun, and given the 2 hours a week I get to play, it's about all I can do in arenas. Those PvPers who are really good in arena, will be good no matter what they do to the game, but for the other 99% of us out there who just play, and have fun with comps that are strange or just plain ridiculous, it puts us at a DISTINCT disadvantage.

As soon as ANY regular team has time to prepare for a boxing team, we are at a disadvantage. Especially for teams who can stealth / camo / invis.

So, if you turn off your "my team only" goggles, and think about the community as a whole (low-rated, strange team-playing, "friends" of yours) you will see what I mean.

Anyone else with an intelligent comment? What do you guys think, and why do you think Blizz has added this? It sort of goes against everything we have been given for so long.

[Shodokan]

Shodoken, wtf was that? are you high? that was a dick move at the end there. I am your friend, dude. remember who you are talking to... perhaps you can recall the times I have stood beside you when the others wanted your blood. There's no reason to lash out for nothing at this community. Simmer down.

Not everyone plays DKs with a pocket paladin healer.

Yes, DK Pally will probably do fine for your level of skill, no matter what. Good for you, I'm quite excited to see what you can do in MoP.

I don't play ANY team competitively in Arenas. What I do like, is being able to surprise a team while im getting my points with 5 arcane mages, or 5 druids, or hunters or whatever... and kill them. It's fun, and given the 2 hours a week I get to play, it's about all I can do in arenas. Those PvPers who are really good in arena, will be good no matter what they do to the game, but for the other 99% of us out there who just play, and have fun with comps that are strange or just plain ridiculous, it puts us at a DISTINCT disadvantage.

As soon as ANY regular team has time to prepare for a boxing team, we are at a disadvantage. Especially for teams who can stealth / camo / invis.

So, if you turn off your "my team only" goggles, and think about the community as a whole (low-rated, strange team-playing, "friends" of yours) you will see what I mean.

Anyone else with an intelligent comment? What do you guys think, and why do you think Blizz has added this? It sort of goes against everything we have been given for so long.

Dan that wasn't directed at you dude, and i edited my post to say that before i even saw this post. I'm also not really lashing out at anyone, I'm being brutally honest and some people simply don't like that. We're already a dying breed and the less there are of us the more successful we get in comparison. It's almost back down to BC numbers because of the difficulty of the past expansion, the community as a whole was far more active back then too. This adds another "level of difficulty" to another aspect of the game that previously didn't have it until Jordon released Arena Spy... So just making the point of the trend of the game getting harder and people here running away from the challenges.

Also I don't have "my team only" goggles on either. Plain and simple this will require adaptation for those who are serious about it. Might force us to move to multi-class harder to control setups which ultimately I believe might be better in the long run. This is something that can be done with people who have a bunch of 5x teams they want to play. Mix it up and possibly have a better chance at winning.

As far as the vast majority of this community is concerned it might add a few extra games to your weekly point cap. It does leave you at a disadvantage with random team comps if you are just going for points. Each class has so many tools to do damage/CC that you can still win stacking things, it's always been hard to win with 5x mages, hunters, rogues (minus fan of knives patch), spriests etc etc... Will this change make it impossible to win? No.

As to WHY do I think they added this? They want to remove the random factor of wins based on unviable comps gimmicking out wins (which i agree is part of why 5's is so fun, running 5 dps is fun), or allow you to better strategise against teams to have a better chance at winning. If I know I am playing against RLS I play one way, RMP? Different, Paladin teams? Completely different. They can't really stop addons like Arena Spy so they seemingly just implemented it into the game to make it so those with the addon do not have an advantage. This certainly was not directed at us as other than a few QQ on blizz forums about my team I haven't seen any at all (not trying to be narcicistic here).

I really don't think it will have a huge impact, like i said it might take a few extra games but nothing extreme. I know a lot of us are pressed for time though so that can be a hinderence to the "fun factor" of a specific group you are trying to play though.

[Mokoi]

Dan that wasn't directed at you dude, and i edited my post to say that before i even saw this post.

It doesn't have to be directed at me, it certainly looked like it was, since it was the only other post at the time.

It shouldn't be directed at anyone in this community.

[zenga]

Anyone else with an intelligent comment? What do you guys think, and why do you think Blizz has added this? It sort of goes against everything we have been given for so long.

It's a change that benefits the smarter ones. If you are able to adapt your talents based on the opponents comp, regardless of the level you play at, the change will benefit you. If you are not capable to adapt, the change will most likely have a negative impact on you. And that is pretty much a ranking based arena game is supposed to be in my opinion. I never understood why people assume that a 'deathgrip target in 1 button smashing macro' play style should be waterproof.

Either way it will open up plenty of creative opportunities, for boxers and for solo players. If you play ele's and see you are up against melee cleave, you can swap around some talents, which can only be a good thing.

[Svpernova09]

You've been able to see your opponent's spec (HP/MP levels iirc) before a Rated BG match starts since they were added. Why not arena? I don't see how this 1 thing ruins arena for boxers. People like Shodokan will still do well regardless. People like me will still be stuck ~1800.

Knowing what 5x or 4x+Healer comp your facing before the match starts doesn't limit the DPS that team does against you. It doesn't limit their targeting accuracy. If you can't adjust your strategies on the fly and adapt to win, arena isn't the place for you.

[Shodokan]

You've been able to see your opponent's spec (HP/MP levels iirc) before a Rated BG match starts since they were added. Why not arena? I don't see how this 1 thing ruins arena for boxers. People like Shodokan will still do well regardless. People like me will still be stuck ~1800.

Knowing what 5x or 4x+Healer comp your facing before the match starts doesn't limit the DPS that team does against you. It doesn't limit their targeting accuracy. If you can't adjust your strategies on the fly and adapt to win, arena isn't the place for you.

Also have been able to see enemy team specs and comp in regular bgs as well for a long time.