Have Group Will Travel: Keep it?

[Fogyreef]

[QUOTE=MiRai;361978]Pretty sure I said something along these lines on page 2.

Wise words to you, too, MiRai.

I think the problem people are having with your argument is that you are forcing it upon people as a fact, as you just stated. When you have no statistics, no pie charts, no bar graphs, or no evidence what-so-ever besides the opinions of the people that would like it kept in the game. When on the other hand, you've got just as many people, if not more (in this thread), saying that they rarely use or don't use it at all completely negating the fact that what you're stating as a fact, isn't really a fact at all.

While I don't have usage statistics, I do have the mechanics of how it works (and the non-scientific poll), and them's the facts I'm referring to:

From this thread:

From an interview with Tom Chilton at the 4:00 minute mark: The Have Group, Will Travel was popular because it is one more thing that shrinks the world (True) and allows players to avoid being out in the world. (False!) We are trying to put more of an emphasis on players going out into the world to do stuff, so (HGWT) is one of the ones that we are going to replace with (faster flight paths).

By making it less likely for people to get out into the world to do stuff? Again, in what context is HGWT being used? Either in (instanced) raiding which is all about summoning shortcuts anyway, or, wait for it, joining people out in the world!

Here's a thought experiment for yous guys. Give a player the choice of everything between walking and HGWT and tell him, during his limited playtime, to choose one mode to go out in the world. Which one will he choose? HGWT? Buzzzzz! Wrong. He can't use HGWT to port himself out into the world, so he's not using it to avoid being in the world. Queen to King's Bishop 4. Check.

Now, same thought experiment, only it's his friend asking him to join him. Which would he use? HGWT! Now, which exactly PROMOTES world presence, good will and happier groups more than any other mode, and you want to get rid of it?!

Now, for the purposes of MoP, it is perfectly reasonable to shut off HGWT until max level. You're turning off flying, so it's obvious you're telling us to hit the road and explore the new content. Can't wait to do so.

That said, the other 85 levels of content, and end game users, is where the majority of HGWT use is going to derive: via grouping in the world and raiding, the two cases where it's most useful and beneficial to your stated goals.

And you want to get rid of it.

For the record, I'm just playing devil's advocate

Like it.

This Louis CK skit reminds of me of WoW's playerbase overall (and most of the world as it is). This isn't focused at anyone here, but I find it funny and figured that I would share.

Great, now I can't play the game as is AND I feel guilty. I need a hug.

In my opinion, there are other things in this game that could use attention

I'm listening?

[MiRai]

While I don't have usage statistics, I do have the mechanics of how it works (and the non-scientific poll), and them's the facts I'm referring to

Online poll results are usually heavily skewed and generally hold no weight for many reasons. Out of the current subscriber base that World of Warcraft has (10.2 million), 117 people have voted on that poll as of me writing this which is far less than 1%. Another flaw was that I was able to use a proxy to vote twice on the poll... so now the results are definitely skewed.

I highly doubt that Blizzard will take a poll seriously that they, themselves, did not conduct.

I'm listening?

I'll be honest, I don't have a list prepared and such discussion is only asking for thread derailment but, two things that immediately come to mind that I've seen other people suggest and I agree with would be:

-PvP Rating Decay
-Revamped Default UI

Blizzard has gotten rid of their suggestion forum and any suggestions for them should go into the appropriate forum (or so I'm told). There has got to be a handful of good suggestions floating around in their forums, but because they're all spread out now it's more difficult for people to see them and say, "Yeah, that's a good idea!".

[Fogyreef]

Yeah, that's why I tagged it with "non-scientific". It's just heavily skewed in my favor. lol

The default UI has come far, but not nearly far enough. I agree. I don't PvP much, but yeah. They also need to make the LFG chat channel work outside cities if they want people to get out of them.

[Fogyreef]

While I don't have usage statistics, I do have the mechanics of how it works (and the non-scientific poll), and them's the facts I'm referring to:

Oops, I just realized that I inferred the poll was part of the fact pitch. It certainly wasn't. Just me injecting tongue in cheek.

[ebony]

Oops, I just realized that I inferred the poll was part of the fact pitch. It certainly wasn't. Just me injecting tongue in cheek.

What and players use the LFG channel in citys? if they did make a LFG outside world then it just be a globe Trade channel (AKA SPAM!)


Even in beta its still hard to work out what there going to do, but put it this way not one thing u can atm is in a "city" or a Day quest hub

eg black market ah in the middle off nowhere. cooking quest u got to go to a market town. other towns have things to do we have to s e what happens at 90.