MoP Beta - Ret Paladin changes / action

[Multibocks]

I understand your point but this kind of argument is quite specious. We've been told to shut up because "things will change before it goes live" every beta, yet when things come out that were a problem in beta as well, the ones that told us to shut up gripe that it should have been fixed in beta. It's perfectly valid to see a problem in beta and bring it up (loudly if it's a really bad one) so we're damned sure the devs know about it in detail.

Or did you have a link to a blue post acknowledging the problem/perception and explaining that they are accounting for that with scaling/abilities/itemization/etc. at 90?

Hmm I think I did read a blue saying that 90 is where the balance would be, but don't quote me on it. What I was saying was wait til 90 is achievable in beta and then if they are still fucked up then shout it to the world.

[Ughmahedhurtz]

What I was saying was wait til 90 is achievable in beta and then if they are still fucked up then shout it to the world.

Fair point. The PTR should also eventually have tier armor on premades for DPS testing, right? Not sure as I've yet to participate in a beta since the original release beta.

[Mokoi]

Multi, I saw. I also watched a great PvP stream where a ret pally went up against gladiator arena players in BiS (of course not PvP) gear, and the ret aplly was no better than average, and got destroyed by several classes, most noteably by the warlock (Demo, Destro and Affliction).

The nerf to Holy shock is huge. It still hits well, but not nearly as much as it did, and I agree it's better this way, but it hits about as hard as a frost strike, and less than howling blast I think. And it's not aoe

[Multibocks]

Multi, I saw. I also watched a great PvP stream where a ret pally went up against gladiator arena players in BiS (of course not PvP) gear, and the ret aplly was no better than average, and got destroyed by several classes, most noteably by the warlock (Demo, Destro and Affliction).

The nerf to Holy shock is huge. It still hits well, but not nearly as much as it did, and I agree it's better this way, but it hits about as hard as a frost strike, and less than howling blast I think. And it's not aoe

Ya but think of the survivability!