Dragon Soul, nerf 2 inc

[Pazgaz]

@ Apatheis:
What you think or feel may not apply to everyone else. If you lose any sense of achievement that's too bad, it does not mean everyone else feel the same.
My guild has a lot of good players, but also some that are not so good. We like each other (for the most part) and like to play together. Forcing us to bench people will hurt guild morale a lot more than the killing of a boss will mend. So for us, it's a good way to get a feeling of progress.

If you want a sense of achievement, click off the debuff. Does your sense of achievement is in some way lessened because others take advantage of the debuff? If so you should think about it some more, is it a sense of achievement you're missing or the "running around the server showing people I'm better than them" feeling?

[luxlunae]

I agree, we're 4 months into the patch, NOTHING you might do is impressive, let lesser mortals get their jollies.

[Khatovar]

I agree with Luxlunae. Especially at this point in the patch/expansion - very few people care about what anyone else is doing in this game unless you are bleeding edge, so you are the only one responsible for your sense of accomplishment.

If you don't want to be "spoon fed" then stop opening your mouth everytime the spoon comes by. Turn off the debuff, don't recruit people who want slackass through raids, do hardmodes and ignore "the Joneses".

[Pazgaz]

It's not your sense of achievement that is not fulfilled (although you call it that), it's your epeen
Sense of achievement is what you feel when YOU manage something that was hard for YOU. Even if 1000000 other players managed it before you, it gives YOU a sense of achievement when you finally succeed. It has nothing to do with any other people. It's semantics, but they matter in this case. I would be a lot more sympathetic towards what you say if it was really that, and not lessened epeen
It's like dunking. I can dunk on a normal height hoop, does the fact that it can be lowered so less athletic people can also dunk take away anything from my dunk? I can lower it myself, but I choose to leave it at regulations height.

[Palee]

It's not your sense of achievement that is not fulfilled (although you call it that), it's your epeen
Sense of achievement is what you feel when YOU manage something that was hard for YOU. Even if 1000000 other players managed it before you, it gives YOU a sense of achievement when you finally succeed. It has nothing to do with any other people. It's semantics, but they matter in this case. I would be a lot more sympathetic towards what you say if it was really that, and not lessened epeen
It's like dunking. I can dunk on a normal height hoop, does the fact that it can be lowered so less athletic people can also dunk take away anything from my dunk? I can lower it myself, but I choose to leave it at regulations height.

Finally someone who sees the truth.

[Gomotron]

The fact of the matter is that Blizzard has clearly stated that it is not their intent to create content that less than 5% of the player base can access. Their goal is for people to be able to access that content as much as is "reasonable". Obviously, their definition of "reasonable" may be different from yours.

This is what has made WoW so successful - Blizzard has proven that the recipe works and will continue to do it over and over again.

The nerfs will piss off, what, 10 % of the population at most? Meanwhile, casual or mediocre players will be gobbling up content that the Blizzard designers have spent months creating and implementing.

If I were an artist, I wouldn't spend a year creating an artistic masterpiece and then only let 5 people a year look at it. But I am not trying to imply that 4.3 is "art" or a "masterpiece".

[Bollwerk]

If you want a sense of achievement, disable the debuff.
The fact that these nerfs will allow more people to kill heroic bosses doesn't affect you.
I fail to see how making it easier for people to get PvE gear has any affect on those people who are unhappy with the gradual nerfing.
The nerf is OPTIONAL. If you don't want it, don't use it.